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a $20/mo old server from hetzner gives you unlimited 1Gbps - thats 324TB /mo
Good deal - I do most of my work in the US, I don't know of a similar deal here.
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Amazon has gone one step past that and made the shovels expensive too. The fear of buying a computer has made them billions.
>The fear of buying a computer has made them billions. Are you saying that AWS service aren't providing value to their customers but it's fear-based marketing?
Yes.
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#73Even the huge-looking bill for Apple is only 6.5% of their total bill. Moving data into AWS is free, so it's not totally surprising that they pay for that by making other stuff more expensive.
I found it more interesting just to see a list of their top ten customers. In particular I didn't realize that Capital One had so much infrastructure.
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#74I've actually been working on a library to help mitigate cloud storage lock-in. The idea is to treat cloud storage providers like disks are treated in RAID. For example, you have 3 separate cloud providers. Cloud providers 1 and 2 have every other byte of data striped across them. Cloud provider 3 has parity data. To pull a file you can only need 2 of the 3 cloud providers. If you don't like how a cloud storage provi…
Are you doing this to replace a CDN? There are already 3rd party CDNs like CloudFlare.
If you are doing it as a replacement for traffic within an AWS region and availability zone, it seems like you will be both more expensive and have much higher latency.
Or is the application something else entirely?
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#75What's up with Apple's spend? Did they move most of their data out of AWS?
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amazon has gone one step past that and made the shovels expensive too. The fear of buying a computer has made them billions.
>The fear of buying a computer has made them billions. Are you saying that AWS service aren't providing value to their customers but it's fear-based marketing?
I think you read too much into that comment. AWS didn't have to market the fear into the customers. People are naturally afraid of things. AWS does provide value, but it comes at a steep cost.
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#77Even the huge-looking bill for Apple is only 6.5% of their total bill. Moving data into AWS is free, so it's not totally surprising that they pay for that by making other stuff more expensive. I found it more interesting just to see a list of their top ten customers. In particular I didn't realize that Capital One had so much infrastructure.
> Even the huge-looking bill for Apple is only 6.5% of their total bill. Moving data into AWS is free, so it's not totally surprising that they pay for that by making other stuff more expensive
Moving data into any network that is outbound heavy is free because both paid peering and transit is settled based on a peak percentile traffic (unless it is flat rate).
That's why the "gansta" position is to have a balanced in/out for any network as in that case you get to effectively double charge for the same pipes -- your eyeball heavy customers pay for incoming and your web farm customers pay for outgoing.
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#78"The charges don’t appear to be a case of cloud providers gouging their customers" I disagree on this one. The margins on egress are, well...egregious.
The point is to make it easy to move data in and hard to move it out.
Someone should set up a big fat pipe right outside of Amazon data centers with free unlimited transfers, get data on behalf of customers copied to hard drives from AWS, and then attach those hard drives to the Uber pipe. I bet that service could work for a short & glorious moment in time.
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#80Is there a plausible explanation why egress fees from cloud providers costs around $0.1/GB? "Traditional" server providers such as Hetzner are able to offer bandwidth at orders of magnitude lower price (eg. $1.1/TB). I understand that cloud providers may have better interconnects or better uptimes, but that doesn't justify the magnitudes higher pricing.
A major issue is that in most markets outside of Europe, peering is less common, and transit prices are significantly higher. Europe is probably the most competitive and best market in this case, almost all other markets are dominated by monopolies. Yes, even significantly worse than the Telekom monopoly. Look at transit in Singapore, Japan or Australia. Or even in Brasil. You’ll go bankrupt even from trying to deliv…
Actually Singapore and Australia aren't that terrible anymore.
Hurricane Electric has POPs in both Singapore and Australia. Transport between Singapore and Australia is $1.50 or less. Peering ports are $0.20 per Mbps.
If all you want to do is push movies at customers, there are plenty of dedicated server providers who will sell you bandwidth on the cheap in both countries.
Obviously YMMV if you want better routes or direct interconnects with local monopolies.