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The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

#101
> The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest

Huh, interesting hypothesis. Certainly a strong claim. They must have done some really impressive and thorough work to come to this conclusion.

> a new computer model of wealth creation confirms.

Sigh.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

#102
i find the chance argument very compelling, but there's another factor which to my knowledge the OP researchers didn't investigate: ethics.

the richest people i know (with wealth in the 10M range) are the most amoral in their thoughts and actions, and it makes a big difference financially. note that i said amoral, not immoral; they aren't malicious, they simply don't care.

they don't refuse a business opportunity because the business would be explicitly unethical; they do it, and profit from it. the same is true if the business produces negative externalities. it simply doesn't matter to them because money is money as far as they care.

they don't craft their investing strategy with the goal of investing in companies that behave well; they chase the money regardless of the ethical problems that they may be directly incentivizing.

overall, this gives these people a much greater range of freedom when it comes to making large volumes of additional money. while i don't know for sure if being amoral helps people become rich in the first place, i assume that it does because having more options on the table is never a bad thing.

so, maybe the answer to the question of "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich" is "i refuse to act unethically to make money".

in my personal experience, i think this argument is pretty good. in 2010 or so, i realized that there was a then-latent market for TDCS / consumer nootropic brain stimulation systems, and considered making a company around producing and selling them to consumers.

however, at the time, i knew that brain stimulation hadn't been proven safe to use in the long term, and selling it to consumers would require working around the FDA's rules about medical devices to essentially evade their oversight. in short, i refused to start a company whose time had come because i knew that i'd probably be harming people as part of the core business. i would have been one of the first in the space, and while i don't think i would be rich today if i had done it, i know that it would have been a chance to get rich and certainly that there were some people who did get rich. and of course, there have been plenty of consumers who have been harmed by these products, often in unidentifiable or subtle ways.

so what's the moral of this story? having morals is expensive, and it sometimes precludes you from becoming rich even if you're lucky enough to be at the right time to take action.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

#103

Ugh, I wish the author had made the point without the computer simulation. I think there might be merit to the argument people make more money than their intelligence, or effort, seems to indicate. And the author lays out some basic arguments here: "But there is a problem with this idea: while wealth distribution follows a power law, the distribution of human skills generally follows a normal distribution that is sym…

It seems fairly obvious that wealth distribution would not perfectly mirror the underlying talent distribution. In a competitive environment small difference have large impacts on results.

Usain Bolt was only a tiny bit faster than other sprinters, but in this prime he won basically all the races he competed in.

It wasn't luck that had him winning them all despite such a small advantage. It was the nature of competition.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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It is the same for men, too. I had everything set up to retire at 35... then I married. Sure, I am a more socially productive person now. My kid will someday pay taxes that will finance the retirement of people that didn't bother to have kids.

We were on track to retire comfortably by 55 without even trying very hard, 45-50 with some effort, without even FAANG money or any sudden jumps in income. Three kids starting just before age 30 and now retirement ever is... iffy, and it's probably not going to be very comfortable if it does happen. They're really expensive. Mostly healthcare, child care, and housing (more space, but also need good schools, so pricie…

Same boat. I’m 48 and could retire right this minute, but looming college expenses, and health insurance, are hanging by a chain on my ankle.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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I just went with my wife to an anniversary event at her graduate school, which is fairly prestigious. We are older, and one of the things we were thinking about was how some people had really striking success in their twenties, some in their thirties and forties, and some later still. The point being that coming out of the first few years of school you may feel like your cohort is sorting for success, but actually early bloomers sometimes revert to the mean and late bloomers happen all the time.

I don't think people typically realize it as much because they don't benchmark themselves against their classmates when they get older.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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Years ago, a friend of the family said "You're so smart. Everyone thought you would be a millionaire by age thirty. What happened?" I pointed at my kids and said "They happened. And they take all my time." I was a full-time wife and mom. This is not a career known to lead to great wealth. So, for starters, not all interests or career paths have equal potential to lead to wealth. Intelligence in no way guarantees that…

Are you from america? As a european, this assumption that everyone would value getting as rich as possible as their top priority seems really weird.

For Americans, getting rich should be the top priority. There's not much of a safety net if you fall ill and can't work. You have to use your healthy/productive years to build up wealth so you won't be homeless later.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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I'm being totally serious: The more I learn about riches & fame, the less I want them. I'll be honest: I'm not quite to the point where if someone tried to thrust a million dollars into my hand, I'd say no. (That isn't even necessarily enough to take you out of "middle class" anymore as a one-off payment, honestly.) But I think I'd say no to 10 million and I'm fairly certain I'd say no to 100 million. Or really wish…

You should take the $10 million. That's "fuck-you money"; with that amount, you're beholden to nobody. $1 million doesn't cut it. $100 million is unnecessary.

If I could completely conceal its presence from anyone else, maybe. If I was completely capable of keeping it from corroding my sensibility and connection to the world.

But honestly, even at my low-end Silicon Valley salary living in the midwest I sometimes end up a bit more detached and cavalier about some things than I'd like.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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> For example, intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, follows this pattern. Average IQ is 100, but nobody has an IQ of 1,000 or 10,000. True, but can IQ be, say 210? If yes, then standard deviation cannot be applied here, right? Because for that you would need someone with opposite IQ, i.e. -10? > The same is true of effort, as measured by hours worked. Some people work more hours than average and some work less, but…

Every 15 points of IQ is 1 standard deviation from the mean. So 210 is 7.3 standard deviations away from 100.

Just 7 standard deviations away from the mean means that you would expect only 1 in 780 billion from a population.

Given that this is far more than the number of people on Earth: No, no one has an IQ of 210.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

#109
I went to an elite engineering school. My colleagues are all really smart. After 20 years, some are wealthy, some are poor. There is no apparent link between how hard they worked and how rich they became. However you can definitely trace how a few good breaks led to one guy being rich and another not.

Did the guys who went to work for Google take any additional risk? Yet, they are now millionaires. How about the entrepreneurs? A few are super rich now. The guy who went to work at McKinsey is now a pubco COO making millions.

Yes, by my direct observation, it’s mostly chance.

Re: The most successful people are just the luckiest, a new computer model confirms

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Seems like this is a free will argument. In a reductionist view, yes, everything is all blind luck because the universe was set in motion at the Big Bang and has evolved according to the laws of physics since. If you got rich through intelligence, determination, and good choices, that was still luck because your intelligence and determination are largely determined by your genes and your choices by your environment,…

But, the best we know is the laws of physics are not deterministic! The quantum states that your neurons fire to is unknowable in advance and determined only at the point of measurement. Therefore, you are _free_ in the exact results of your neural mass are unknowable in advance and truly random. There's certainly a distribution of probability to the randomness... but be free and don't by the deterministic, 19th cent…

I favor the idea of free will but I don't buy this argument. Everything in the universe is bound by the same physics/quantum mechanics but you wouldn't say a rock has free will.
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