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Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

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Someone is probably going to ask what other HN users recommend as an alternative. Personally, I use Private Internet Access because they're the only provider I've found with a track record of demonstrably not being able to turn your records over to someone asking for them [1]. [1] https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

It's the same shit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#52

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Because for certain types of things, like pirating movies, it's good enough.

It seems a bit strange to me that you'd want to hide your movie pirating from your ISP but are happy for your VPN provider to know about it.

I think it is more of a matter of hiding your local ip address from other torrent users.

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#53
post #5

Someone is probably going to ask what other HN users recommend as an alternative. Personally, I use Private Internet Access because they're the only provider I've found with a track record of demonstrably not being able to turn your records over to someone asking for them [1]. [1] https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

EDIT : I said I used IPVanish mostly because the EFF endorsed them, but someone pointed out below they got caught logging. I suppose that would explain why they're not endorsed on the EFF VPN page anymore. So, I guess time to find a new VPN. :(

Used IPVanish for a few years, it was great the first, sucked the 2nd. I switched. These days I use VyprVPN. I like their Chameleon encryption that hides the VPN (although some data still leaks and some sites still detect it) and the killswitch option (prevents connections out if VPN not active)

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

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I'm pretty sure they're "recommending" it because they're getting paid for it - it's a sponsor segment. After demonetization became common YouTubers looked for other sources of revenue and there are rather few companies that try to contact them directly for ads, so you see them appear over and over again.

Yeah it's diffidently not being recommended, it is being advertised. I wonder how many money they have spend. Every freaking channel mention them at some point.

You start to wonder where their money is coming from - their retail prices are already cheap, the discounts the influencers offer make it basically free. How's that sustainable?

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#55
Lots of talk here from highly technical folks but not one person brings up the fact that these are expired keys - as in not usable?

I understand that the fact that these keys were obtained is concerning but the security of nord and etc prevailed at the end of the day.

The question is: were they leaked before they expired or long after?

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#56
post #5

Someone is probably going to ask what other HN users recommend as an alternative. Personally, I use Private Internet Access because they're the only provider I've found with a track record of demonstrably not being able to turn your records over to someone asking for them [1]. [1] https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

Apparently The Wirecutter now recommends TunnelBear and Mullvad because they post regular transparency reports and do third-party audits. https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-vpn-service/

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems a bit strange to me that you'd want to hide your movie pirating from your ISP but are happy for your VPN provider to know about it.

I think it is more of a matter of hiding your local ip address from other torrent users.

What's the purpose of that? Genuine question, I'm trying to understand the threat model of another torrent user seeing the IP address that is currently allocated to your router. Is this related to those letters that people sometimes get sent threatening legal action for torrenting?

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

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I am guessing #1 is mot wanting your internet provider (eg. AT&T) knowing what you are doing, then Netflix, Torrents, getting better deals on tickets and such, maybe activities of questionable legality? Personally, I don't like the idea of my mobile provider profiting off knowing which applications I am using and what sites I visit.

I don't understand being unhappy with your ISP knowing these things, but being fine with your VPN provider knowing them.

It is much easier to change VPN provider than your ISP.

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am guessing #1 is mot wanting your internet provider (eg. AT&T) knowing what you are doing, then Netflix, Torrents, getting better deals on tickets and such, maybe activities of questionable legality? Personally, I don't like the idea of my mobile provider profiting off knowing which applications I am using and what sites I visit.

I don't understand being unhappy with your ISP knowing these things, but being fine with your VPN provider knowing them.

Because it's easy to change a VPN provider if you don't like their actions, but most of us are stuck with an ISP and have no control over what they do with our data?

Re: NordVPN confirms it was hacked

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post #32
post #5

Someone is probably going to ask what other HN users recommend as an alternative. Personally, I use Private Internet Access because they're the only provider I've found with a track record of demonstrably not being able to turn your records over to someone asking for them [1]. [1] https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

ProtonVPN comes from the same people who run ProtonMail, a very well known security focused email provider.

ProtonVPN has a large history of being connected to TesoNet, a company providing among other things data mining(!). An extra cherry on top of that is the CEO of TesoNet also being the CEO of CloudVPN, which more or less controls NordVPN.

Now that doesn't mean ProtonVPN is automatically compromised but I feel with stuff like no-log VPNs one should always err on the side of caution.

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