Interestingly, this is apparently a story that a lot of Russian troll farms are pushing hard at the moment.
Source? I would like to keep up on that.
“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”
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#32EMF Scientist appeal is BS. It's random collection of people (many retired cranks) with PhD.
Autism researcher from Harvard Medical School is not convincing.
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#33I'd be interested in seeing signatures from people at institutions I recognize and trust. There are a lot of people with degrees FROM credible institutions, but very little in terms of currently being researchers in the field AT credible institutions. It's not hard to find 250 wackos if you pull random scientists working in random fields at random institutions. Most have no better way to know safety of 5G than I do.…
The article explicitly calls the 200 participants the world's leading experts in non-ionizing radiation. I haven't researched their credentials or examined their research. But if all existing research points in one direction, that constitutes empirical evidence. Of course methodological and statistical problems abound across all academia. The article makes existing research seem unequivocal and argues we need to conduct further research for 4G as well as 5G health effects
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#34At the end of the day I think I can agree on one thing; That we should make an attempt to definitively understand long term exposure.
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#35I spend a lot of time in public transport, and on internet in general. I never paid for 3G or 4G on my smartphone. Only wifi. OSMAnd for maps, etc. 5G is also pretty bad for the environment (netflix, instagram, snapchat are also pretty awful). The amount of energy and resources you need to make all those electronic is gigantic, not to mention the lifespan of a smartphones is so short, smartphones vendors are now tryi…
>I can't understand that race towards higher bigger everything.
I think it's called growth-economy. Solving things creates new exciting possibilities, which have problems that need solving. We're never satisfied, and that's a good thing. Otherwise we would've stayed in caves
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> arguably misleading Argue it then. Many readers will have never heard this name.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/28/uc-berkeley-psychologis...
I don't know who Alex Berezow is any more than I know who Joel M. Moskowitz is, but openly ridiculing the entire state of California for their stance on public health and safety in your opening paragraphs isn't the best way to sell yourself as a voice of reason in a discussion about public health and safety of 5G.
Edit: I was also prompted to spend ~30 seconds researching who ACSH are since everyone critiquing Moskowitz in this HN thread seem to be posting links from that website alone. Didn't take long to discover they're a privately funded pro-industry advocacy group.
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#37I spend a lot of time in public transport, and on internet in general. I never paid for 3G or 4G on my smartphone. Only wifi. OSMAnd for maps, etc. 5G is also pretty bad for the environment (netflix, instagram, snapchat are also pretty awful). The amount of energy and resources you need to make all those electronic is gigantic, not to mention the lifespan of a smartphones is so short, smartphones vendors are now tryi…
5G is really replacement for a WIFI.
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#38"However, we have considerable evidence about the harmful effects of 2G and 3G. Little is known the effects of exposure to 4G, a 10-year-old technology, because governments have been remiss in funding this research."
This sounds like bullshit. What were there changes between 3G and LTE that would make it more dangerous?
More efficient use of spectrum?
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anything about him worth mentioning? After a quick search online, at first glance, he looks like a reputable researcher. Does he have industry ties that we should be aware of, reputation issues, conflicts of interest, something else?
I am also unaware of this topic, but this[0] is the second google result when you search his name. [0] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/28/uc-berkeley-psychologis...
The article is a bit suspect, the author seems to have a personal dislike on the guy. The author works for the American Council on Science and Health which is a nonprofit, but I couldn't find the sponsors.
The article uses personal insult (calling the guy a charlatan) but does not say much about why he disagrees with those positions.
I see no companies on the name of Joel M. Moskowitz, no products sold, no industry sponsors.
On the other hand, I see a guy with no industry ties being slandered online by no reason, weird.
I don't know anything about the guy, if anyone can chime in on why his opinion is not trustworthy I would like to learn more.
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#40Bad headline.
5G covers a huge spectral range starting at, yes, 5 GHz.
5GHz is coming out of every home router built in the last couple years. If it was unsafe, we would probably know about it. (Let’s say ‘unsafe’ as in, “it is ‘unsafe’ to drive a car” since we need some baseline risk tolerance).