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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by hellofunk »

yread wrote: post #274
hellofunk wrote: post #71

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This whole thread has been rather surprising to me, we've been enjoying Disney+ for a few weeks now and I've been amazed how wonderful all the content is. I've never seen any errors or the issue described in this article (I'm on Mac). The only thing about the UI that I miss is that it does not respond to keyboard shortcuts (like pressing spacebar to start and stop the playback). But overall, I've been very happy and…

I've been using it on a Chromecast. I'm not sure what "wonderful" content you're amazed by - there are some nice movies but I think by next month we will be pretty much out of interesting stuff to watch. And technically it's also not that great - it takes a while to load and in about 50% of the movies I've watched it froze and I had to restart the app. We will probably stay subscribed though so it's not all that terr…

If you can watch nearly a century‘s worth of great content by Disney in only one month, you have a lot of free time!

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Post by throw0101a »

turblety wrote: post #60
profmonocle wrote: post #36

> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

> It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip ...

Obligatory IT Crowd reference:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Sendotsh wrote: post #166
giancarlostoro wrote: post #143

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Not sure if applicable to your region but have you given movieseverywhere a shot?

Do you mean Disney Movies Anywhere? That’s a US exclusive, like just about all content these days.

https://moviesanywhere.com/

This website, it's not Disney specific, but that sucks. It would mostly be the convenient solution to this problem. If you have a movie on iTunes or Play, it unlocks in the other, and vice-versa.

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Post by snagglegaggle »

noodlesUK wrote: post #189
catalogia wrote: post #109

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DRM doesn't inconvenience pirates, but piracy inconveniences consumers. It's inconvenient to free up 50 GB of hard disk space to torrent of a 4k netflix rip you found off some shady torrent site. It's much more convenient to just give netflix a few bucks a month. That inconvenience comes from law enforcement action against pirate sites and many users having trouble managing their hard drive space. Not from DRM.

It may be inconvenient to free up some disk space (citation needed, anyone on HN has probably got terabytes of free space somewhere ), but the inconvenience of certain streaming platforms, or even the total hostility to watching anything ad-free (even paid users) will knock people into the piracy camp. There is no source where I can watch AAA movies that I buy on my laptop legally in 4K as it is illegal to break Blu-…

It's not illegal to break copy protection for a work you purchased. There was an ammendment to the DMCA for it -- likely if this had not happened more of the DMCA would have been challenged and struck.

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Post by Izkata »

omegabravo wrote: post #278
AlexDragusin wrote: post #154

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The info is there not to stop piracy but as a legal matter in case the customer says "I didn't knew, I wasn't informed".

I'm not sure the "you wouldn't download a car" is legally binding

That one was just confusing anyway, the general response was "if it existed, yeah I would".

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Post by untog »

tbyehl wrote: post #221
untog wrote: post #186

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It's kind of funny the number of people responding with Plex. I've used it for years, and it's an effective piece of software but it requires running a server in your house, managing storage, etc. etc... there's no way the average user is interested in doing that.

Plex is just an application. My start, back when it was still Mac-only, was to run it on my Macbook Pro. When the drive got full, I deleted content that I'd already watched. For a decade now, Plex runs on any Windows / Mac / Linux device. It'll run on a Raspberry Pi. NVIDIA Shield. Western Digital's My Cloud NAS products (from $139 w/ 2TB). QNAP. Synology. The main obstacle for "average" people is just knowing that P…

It isn’t just an application, it’s an application that runs on your always-on computer. Which most people don’t have. Nor do they have a Raspberry Pi, QNAP or Synology NAS.

Knowing that Plex exists is certainly one thing. But you still need to run it somewhere.

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Post by dwild »

foota wrote: post #72
profmonocle wrote: post #36

> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

I imagine you'd see a lot more casual piracy if it were trivial to copy, i.e., people just sending the videos to their friends.

> I imagine you'd see a lot more casual piracy if it were trivial to copy, i.e., people just sending the videos to their friends.

Then just put enough of DRM for that not to happens. The fact that it's working through an app is more than enough. Most people have trouble even getting videos out of Youtube and doesn't know you can find apps to do that.

People share password much more than they share video files too.

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Post by dwild »

Kasoha wrote: post #210
phist_mcgee wrote: post #192

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Well look at it from Netflix's perspective. You are in no way an indicative normal customer. They don't support certain browsers, because there is no need to. Privacy hiding VPNs are used to evade content locking as part of Netflix's business models/licensing agreements, so why would they allow your privacy hiding vpn? I'm not agreeing that they should do these things, but you are approaching a service from a very st…

yeah, I'm looking. Dude paid for the content with his credit card. Yet netflix still putting up hurdles after hurdles. No wonder dude ended up on piratebay. If I buy something I expect goods delivered to me. app store, play store, GOG, steam, everything...

I paid for this car but it doesn't works underwater, I been screwed so hard...

You can't support every use case sadly, whatever happens, some people won't be supported because of specific needs. It's sad for sure that not every market is big enough to be supported, but such is life.

At least it was during a trial and he didn't pay anything.

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