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Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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I’m not really ok with other people’s code running on my Secure Enclave. BitTorrented video has no security guarantee either.

> I’m not really ok with other people’s code running on my Secure Enclave. All the code that runs on your secure enclave is other people's code.

Depends on the device, of course.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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post #97

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The highest security level involves hardware keys. You'd have to get a hardware device that supports it and extract the keys somehow

So what hardware device is it interacting with when it is able to run properly on windows and mac? Is there a reason Linux couldn't interact with this hardware in the same way?

There isn't any, hence why those devices aren't certified to the Widevine Level 1.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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post #266

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> Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. It can be stopped. All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today. Can't do subversive things like copy a file if they don't let us run our software. Governments around the world are also trying to erode these same freedoms by pushing encryption regulation.

You haven't really seen the VHS age of pirating in Russia and Eastern Europe, have you?

In my corner of EE that was caused by movies being crazy expensive relative to realistic income. Streaming and lower prices now definitely killed a lot of potential piracy.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Anyone who’s used Disney’s existing streaming service will, I am certain, tell you it it truly awful. It’s incredibly slow, saddles you with massive downloads regardless of device or connection type. The app sometimes just doesn’t open at all. I really hope whatever they’re making is not based on what they are doing currently.

This whole thread has been rather surprising to me, we've been enjoying Disney+ for a few weeks now and I've been amazed how wonderful all the content is. I've never seen any errors or the issue described in this article (I'm on Mac). The only thing about the UI that I miss is that it does not respond to keyboard shortcuts (like pressing spacebar to start and stop the playback). But overall, I've been very happy and…

I've been using it on a Chromecast. I'm not sure what "wonderful" content you're amazed by - there are some nice movies but I think by next month we will be pretty much out of interesting stuff to watch. And technically it's also not that great - it takes a while to load and in about 50% of the movies I've watched it froze and I had to restart the app.

We will probably stay subscribed though so it's not all that terrible.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

>DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. Media companies aren't stupid. They know exactly how much DRM and piracy impact their bottom line. That's why DRM-free distribution is a non-starter for virtually every media company, because it saves them money. Like all things dealing with bad actors, DRM isn't about stopping behavior. It's about slowing it down and making it more cumbersome

> That's why DRM-free distribution is a non-starter for virtually every media company, because it saves them money.

Why is it saving them money a bad thing?

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Cost of building a Linux client should be zero. It's not because they want to have their proprietary DRM/spyware restricting what you can do. Ever heard the phrase "piracy is a better service", Disney? Edit: Cost should be negligible. You should build for web/browser standards, not the OS.

DRM encryption is a browser standard.

Please stop repeating that propaganda. The point of standards is to facilitate interoperability. DRM does the opposite so it can never be standardized, no matter what capitalist-run "standards" organizations say

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

#277

Back to piracy it is, I guess.

But _why_? Is there something Disney has that everyone _needs_ to have?

My first reaction to stuff like this is simply that I can't be bothered -- if Disney don't want me as a customer then I'll simply ignore their service.

This is a serious question; I'm quite ignorant when it comes to the content of the current Disney IP portfolio and I'm not really a consumer of mainstream media.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

The info is there not to stop piracy but as a legal matter in case the customer says "I didn't knew, I wasn't informed".

I'm not sure the "you wouldn't download a car" is legally binding

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

#279
I do care about Linux, but I'm not using it to watch Disney+. I stream from my Android phone to Chromecast, which works great the first time. After a while the phone seems to lose track of the fact that it's casting and I can't stop it or start a different movie.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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post #54

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Why do say that Linux will only ever support Level 3? Is there some fundamental limitation?

There's the fundamental limitation that the odds of any maintainer rewriting the entire graphics pipleine to secure the video path from the user for DRM on Linux is roughly zero.

A corporate sponsor might rewrite it... Chrome OS did it after all...

Probably wouldn't get merged into mainline Linux tho due to all the DRM opposition

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