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Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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This is a naive question but I've always wondered, what motivates people who distribute pirated content for free? I get why someone would consume pirated content but why would someone take the risk of publishing pirated content? Is it the ad traffic that the publishers get?

Easiest way to think of it is as a competitive hobby. Groups compete to release stuff fastest for cred.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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post #222

This is a naive question but I've always wondered, what motivates people who distribute pirated content for free? I get why someone would consume pirated content but why would someone take the risk of publishing pirated content? Is it the ad traffic that the publishers get?

To some, it's a game, it's a challenge, and it comes with recognition and/or reward -- potentially in the way of private services or paid requests.

Or, as the quote goes, "some men just want to watch the world burn", whichever world they deem unworthy of existing.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM doesn't inconvenience pirates, but piracy inconveniences consumers. It's inconvenient to free up 50 GB of hard disk space to torrent of a 4k netflix rip you found off some shady torrent site. It's much more convenient to just give netflix a few bucks a month. That inconvenience comes from law enforcement action against pirate sites and many users having trouble managing their hard drive space. Not from DRM.

"Piracy" is inconvenient. It takes knowledge, effort, time and money as well as computing power, storage and network bandwidth to participate in the ratio economies of private torrent trackers. It gets to the point it looks like an enthusiast operation run by people who want the best possible version of everything. What's truly sad is how so many people find this preferable to paying for the official services. It spe…

> What's truly sad is how so many people find this preferable to paying for the official services. It speaks volumes to the quality of their streaming services.

I was even pirating shows I had access for free on Amazon prime... that just tells you how bad the platforms are, it's not about money.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Interesting. I'd been toying with signing up for Disney+ at some point (when does it even go live officially?). But if this is the case, I absolutely won't be getting a subscription as I use Linux as my desktop OS. "No Linux support" == "no customer"

> "No Linux support" == "no customer"

The conviction in this statement gave me a bit of a chuckle. I think most of us commenting here don't share this view.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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As always, the pirate bay offers a DRM free alternative. Maybe one day the media companies will learn that the one thing consumers cannot stand is being inconvenienced, even slightly. As long as their solution provides less value than pirating, or is a bigger pain in the ass than pirating, they will lose. Unfortunately for them, pirating has become so easy, that unless they become like iTunes, they are dead. Just a m…

I think you greatly overestimate how many people pirate content.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

Aside from this comment[1], DRM prevents casual piracy. There was a point where a lot of my music was cassette tapes with the album written on it with a sharpie. DRM definitely prevents this.

HDCP up to 2.2 is completely broken, so even perfect software DRM has a huge gaping hardware hole, but most people don't have the tools needed to circumvent this.

One person breaking the DRM can make a torrent for all torrenters, but if say 1/4 the population can break the DRM, then people will copy things for friends.

The closest current day equivalent is probably many people sharing a Netflix password.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21307648

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just need to not develop drm.

That implies they could not offer the service due to the legal entanglements of offering films owned by multiple parties without copyright protection, so it's equivalent to saying "They just need to not exist." Understandably, they've chosen an alternative.

It's worth pointing out that we're talking about Disney here, who owns likely all of the copyright of their content in full without any legal encumbrances. They're the ones who are insisting on distributing content only with hefty copyright protection guarantees, and they could snap their fingers and cancel that insistence at their sole choosing, unlike (say) Netflix.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

> DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. I would think DRM stops trivial tools like a Chrome extension that adds a "Download" button on anything you're watching on Netflix.com. Which is good enough. Because piracy is confusing to most people. Piracy sites are scummy and require tech-savyness just to navigate them and download the right thing. For example, my girlfriend knows "The Pirate Bay" b…

You don't need a torrent client to watch movies on piratebay.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Everyone here freaking out about DRM and how they think they're entitled to free pirate it if Disney don't offer the format they want. While I'm just looking at all my TV's that support casting from my phone by default. Who even watches movies on their computer anyway. Your TV will support it natively if not right away just buy a Chromecast or Roku and be done with it. There are worse things to freak out about.
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