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Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#31
I'm deciding between MFE/MS programs and starting independently at the moment. Here's what I've sort of cobbled together.

My understanding is that your value to a firm is directly proportional to your ability to generate alpha. Credentials would be useful for securing an entry-level position, but eventually, it is your ability to develop profitable strategies that will secure your position in this industry.

This is such a secretive business, that I doubt academia will be teaching anything other than the fundamentals/theory . As pointed out in the article, MFE employment stats are murky at best. I haven't had much luck getting confident stats. There's only a few of programs that staff actual practitioners, people who, you know, actually made/make money doing this stuff.

One of my concerns with the credential-path is future career growth. Many of the firms that hire from schools place candidates in specific roles that need to be filled. You might get stuck in an area thats not as profitable as other areas of the market. You will also not be exposed to the firm's intellectual property until they've worked you hard and for many years.

Contrast this with the option to start independently. I've spoken with quite a few people who've started out this way. Some have parlayed their experience and performance into jobs/partnerships at the big firms. Others continued to scale and build out their own fund. They all say the same thing, if you can develop profitable strategies, you will find people more than willing to invest in your strategies.

As far as networking, I think the internet is helping that immensely. Quite a few fundamental investors have received job offers or started their own hedge funds from blogging/posting on forums when it became apparent they had an edge. There's always a few headhunters and fund managers hanging around nuclearphynance, and other forums.

There is a higher risk, perhaps, of getting nowhere. But you also have the freedom, and less dogmatic structure to think independently, and the time to learn things thoroughly (vs. in a degree program).

I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#32

This is exactly what I did with business, instead of getting an MBA or a PhD. Here's my reading list: http://personalmba.com/best-business-books/ Here's the book I wrote, condensing what I learned in the process: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591843529/ I now own my own business, work for myself as a business teacher and consultant, have an enormous amount of flexibility in my day-to-day schedule, and make more t…

You've just got another sale thanks to Kindle ;)

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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post #32

This is exactly what I did with business, instead of getting an MBA or a PhD. Here's my reading list: http://personalmba.com/best-business-books/ Here's the book I wrote, condensing what I learned in the process: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591843529/ I now own my own business, work for myself as a business teacher and consultant, have an enormous amount of flexibility in my day-to-day schedule, and make more t…

You've just got another sale thanks to Kindle ;)

Thanks, hope you find it useful!

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#34

This is exactly what I did with business, instead of getting an MBA or a PhD. Here's my reading list: http://personalmba.com/best-business-books/ Here's the book I wrote, condensing what I learned in the process: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591843529/ I now own my own business, work for myself as a business teacher and consultant, have an enormous amount of flexibility in my day-to-day schedule, and make more t…

Wow, incredible reviews, just picked up a copy ;)

Thanks, I appreciate it!

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#35

"""But you pay someone to indoctrinate you with exactly the same methods and formulae that all of your competitors are using. Then you expect to come to not just a different conclusion, but a market-beating conclusion? That just sounds dumb.""" Counter argument: Creativity entails not only novelty (that outside the box stuff) but also utility, and in order to be useful, it has to go above-and-beyond what is already k…

The question is, once you get in, how do you get out?

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#36

DIY Financial Engineering: 1. Sign up for an Interactive Brokers account; state that you want to trade options. 2. Transfer >25K (day-trading capability) or whatever is reasonable amount money for you. Enough for you to care about but not over the amount where if you lost it all, you'd lose sleep over. 3. Now use the highest/lowest volatility scanner and buy/sell some options randomly in that list; max out your real…

By following Step 3, you will lose much more than whatever the amount was in Step 2.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#37
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the original poster, but I've found that most 300 page business books contain 10-20 pages of useful info and 280-290 pages of fluff and filler. I generally skim through the average business book in an hour or 2, including the time to make notes of all the potentially useful advice I find. It's rare to find a business book worth carefully reading cover to cover.

That's exactly what I do, only I've practiced enough to cut the time per book to 10-20 minutes, depending on complexity. Reading for information extraction vs. word-for-word is much more efficient, and if you practice, your comprehension and retention is just as high. It's not uncommon for me to go to the library or B&N and read a stack of 20-30 books in a few hours. I've been reading business books for six years, an…

Wow! Has anyone else achieved this level of efficiency in their reading?

-- 10-20 minutes per book? -- 20 to 30 books in a few hours.

I am a bit skeptical, but maybe it is doable. I am curios to know if anyone else on HN can read/comprehend a non-fiction business book in less than 30 mins.

I went ahead and ordered '10 days to faster reading'.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

#39

"""But you pay someone to indoctrinate you with exactly the same methods and formulae that all of your competitors are using. Then you expect to come to not just a different conclusion, but a market-beating conclusion? That just sounds dumb.""" Counter argument: Creativity entails not only novelty (that outside the box stuff) but also utility, and in order to be useful, it has to go above-and-beyond what is already k…

"If you never venture outside the box, you will probably not be creative. But if you never get inside the box, you will certainly be stupid."

I think I will use this in the future.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I do, only I've practiced enough to cut the time per book to 10-20 minutes, depending on complexity. Reading for information extraction vs. word-for-word is much more efficient, and if you practice, your comprehension and retention is just as high. It's not uncommon for me to go to the library or B&N and read a stack of 20-30 books in a few hours. I've been reading business books for six years, an…

Wow! Has anyone else achieved this level of efficiency in their reading? -- 10-20 minutes per book? -- 20 to 30 books in a few hours. I am a bit skeptical, but maybe it is doable. I am curios to know if anyone else on HN can read/comprehend a non-fiction business book in less than 30 mins. I went ahead and ordered '10 days to faster reading'.

Just this morning I had the idea that since so many books are appearing in electronic format it won't be long before lots of the text has been tagged. I'm reading an enjoyable book about sleep right now. In many places the author goes into personal stories that led to a particular discovery. I thought 'wouldn't it be nice to be able to have those parts filtered for me by my Kindle software?'.

I could see things getting to the point to where you could have the option to generate an executive summary from any popular book that tries to hit the main points. Then you drill down as you want more information. Books could function almost like mini-wikis at that point but with a narrative or order that you use to drive through it.

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