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Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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Sex attracts eyeballs too though it's a bit more difficult to sell Kraft Cheese Singles using sex.

I'm having flashbacks to my honeymoon.

Tell me you covered the bed in processed cheese product, rather than rose petals...

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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That's interesting - FDA forced Kraft the name change due to the ingredients. > https://web.archive.org/web/20110110185442/http://www.fda.go...

That actually makes a surprisingly interesting read. "Your firm's "Kraft Velveeta Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread" product is misbranded within the meaning of Section 403(g)( 1) of the Act in that it purports to be or is represented as a food, namely pasteurized process cheese spread..." So it's official: Velveeta is not food!

No, velveeta is not a specific named food--it's not the food which is named cheese.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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Any form of media that earns its profit from viewership and selling advertising, including broadcast and cable news and news radio, is optimized for outrage. That's what attracts the eyeballs. The "algorithmic" part is irrelevant.

I agree with you, but the “algorithmic” just takes it to another level: instead of having a few channels targeted toward a bunch of groups, the targeting is at the individual level.

And it's a black box sometimes, people who tuned neural networks won't even understand what the NN is optimizing it for.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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Among the conventional talking points that's flawed. NBA's interest in China is at least $500 million and may clear $1 billion. That's consequence-inducing. https://www.si.com/nba/2019/10/07/daryl-morey-rockets-china-...

Seems like you and the article agree with me here (the consequences are financial, not imprisonment for the average NBA player.) And if financial consequences count as a free speech issue to you, then you agree with me that free speech isn't just about judicial arrest.

Yes, I agree with you that what is effectively financial blackmail or coercion matters. It's among the most accessible and effective tools historically.

Point remains that as a government China has considerable means and impunity at its disposal.

The fact that numerous non-state actors also do is a key extension of free-speech concerns I find poorly addressed. The NBA as a media platform (among its chief roles) is an example. FAANG similarly. There are numerous others.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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When making up one one's mind about whether Zuck is sincere in his passionate pleas for free speech, consider that: 1) he took no questions from reporters, only pre-moderated questions from students, and 2) Facebook Live chat was scrubbed of any critical comments by algorithmic filters. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ma...

Freedom of speech and freedom of association do not imply any obligation to listen to or respond to everything, and permit you to privately filter.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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I agree with you, but the “algorithmic” just takes it to another level: instead of having a few channels targeted toward a bunch of groups, the targeting is at the individual level.

And it's a black box sometimes, people who tuned neural networks won't even understand what the NN is optimizing it for.

But on the other hand human brains are basically just black box neural networks as well.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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I’m more interested in why Facebook is marketing their platform to be about free speech. Is it a defensive move against potential regulation? - e.g. “if you regulate us, you’re taking away peoples right to free Speech”

Yes, "free speech" protects it against lawsuits. See Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

No! No, No, no! This is the myth that won't die. Just actually read Sec 230! It says, explicitly and understandably, that moderating an online community does not create a liability for user-created content. You do not have to take a "hands off" attitude to avoid liability. That's the whole purpose of Sec 230. For people to continue getting this exactly wrong is absurd.

Background: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/21/18700605/section-230-inte...

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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I spent 2 years trying to “fix” my feed before leaving Facebook altogether. There was no way at the time - the alg would always surface the absolute worst things that anyone I knew would post because the algorithm knew it would get the most responses.

Maybe the section of the AI devoted to you has tagged you as someone who likes outrage. Maybe you have posted some outrage stuff. My experience is opposite from yours.

You’re right it’s probably my fault for constantly clicking “dislike, don’t show more”, not the financial incentives of Facebook. That’s nice for you that it’s the opposite.

Re: Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

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When making up one one's mind about whether Zuck is sincere in his passionate pleas for free speech, consider that: 1) he took no questions from reporters, only pre-moderated questions from students, and 2) Facebook Live chat was scrubbed of any critical comments by algorithmic filters. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ma...

Freedom of speech and freedom of association do not imply any obligation to listen to or respond to everything, and permit you to privately filter.

A credible commitment to freedom of speech absolutely entails acknowledging and responding to serious criticism.
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