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Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. All the popular competitors to the MacBook Pro have soldered RAM including the XPS 13 and ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Really the truth of the matter is that for 95%+ of people, RAM requirements have completed plateaued in the last 5-8 years or so.

No, they just suffer through a sluggish experience and don't know any better.

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Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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Any serious contender should have an answer to the MBPs extraordinary touchpad. It is key to working without a mouse, and therefore being truly mobile and comfortable at the same time. So please post at least some information for this aspect, which is one of the things the OP explicitly listed. Some examples: - Would you be able to do some solid Photoshop/Sketch/Gimp/Inkscape/Blender work with the touchpad/knob of yo…

I can't stand track/touchpads - I just turn them off. Give me a good trackpoint any day.

I don't necessarily care if it's a point or pad. I need it to get the jobs done that I mentioned above.

Can you with your laptop, and if so, which is it?

I had a Dell Precision M4300 for quite some time. Good laptop, decent trackpoint - but it was not good enough for design work:

My main problem was offsetting the cursor a tiny number of pixels, which needed some starting force on the trackpoint, which lead to more pixels than I needed. Some trackpoint laptop might have figured this out by now. But if not, I'm not interested.

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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I switched from MBP to a Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu. I compare the experience to living in a hotel vs. living at home [1]. In a hotel (=on Mac), everything is stylish and cared for, but you have very little freedom to change things. At home (=on Linux), you need to do the dishes yourself but there's no external agenda. It's simply yours. I'm very happy with the switch. Though I'm on (Debian+) Xfce now instead of Ubuntu…

I love this analogy, and it's remarkable at how much sense it makes when I look at the choices I make in my day to day life generally. Hotel-chic is very clean, very minimal, very sparse. Just enough to have the necessary conveniences that appeal to everyone, with absolutely nothing personalised for any individual. As of about 10 years ago, I made a conscious choice to stop customising my desktop (and then later, mob…

I love how my work is now about 99% OS agnostic. I've been working from home a lot lately. There are times when I want to do some deep research and I don't want to do it on the desktop. So I just get my MBA, plop on the recliner and Google away.

Save the pages with SessionBuddy on Chrome. Then when I have to actually work, I can go to my Windows desktop and jump right into work.

It's come to a point where I'm basically using two operating systems daily and it hasn't affected my workflow one bit

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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You should use an example which actually needs a *nix OS. Adobe CC is Definitely not a good example

I assumed the OP was saying they both need a -nix OS, and need Adobe CC (e.g. if you do front end web development, although with the move away from Adobe stuff for web design (such as Sketch) and the availability of web based tools like Figma and Zeplin, this is a bit less of an issue than it was). Of course, Windows now offers WSL - not sure how good it is but it does mean both platforms can offer -nix Terminal whil…

Precisely—I switch between front-end, mobile, backend (Java, Mono, Haskell, etc...), I dabble in game dev and photography—so I depend on quick access to these tools/flexibility quite a lot. I love making my computer mine, but that doesn't mean that I'm happy to drop my work and fix something that should just work.

I've gone the hackintosh and/or dual boot route so many times that I finally gave up and I'm generally happy with my current setup. However, I'm sitting here with 2 macs (both hi-spec even in Apple terms), one with a broken keyboard, another one with a neurotic trackpad.

I guess the bottomline is: if we want to switch, we need to make sacrifices/change our habits.

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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There's no real package manager. You can't rebuild your kernel. You can't upgrade your hardware. Once your HW is unsupported by Apple you're stuck with an old OS that is unsupported by third party software as well.

“You can’t rebuild your kernel.” Are you kidding me? Apple supports the hardware it ships on day one, then provides free updates until the device is obsolete. If you must rebuild Apple’s OSS kernel, you can follow the instructions here: https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Da...

> the device is obsolete.

One of my biggest complaints about Apple is the difference between what I consider to be obsolete and what they do.

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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My Thinkpad T460p on ubuntu sleeps properly when I close the lid, every time, which is better than Windows managed on the same machine. I am running a stock kernel though.

Right, yours does. OK. All macs do.

Well done - a function works well on a restricted set of hardware which the OS has been tested thoroughly against. How do you expect that same thing to be achieved with the hundreds of potential laptops out there which could run Linux?

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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Same, I bought a t480 but I went with POP OS. I bought it to see if I could switch to linux. On the plus side its a solid and stable dev machine, iterm seems slower than the linux terminal. Rubymine, pycharm etc are stable. Google cloud shell freezes in browser sometimes but firefox quantum and chromium work pretty well otherwise. It also works great with my uhd monitor even tho it doesn’t have a dedicated graphics c…

Learn to love the trackpoint and when you go back to a MacBook you'll be sad it's not there.

honest question, how to love the trackpoint? I constantly overshoot or undershoot my target when applying pressure to the stick. Any suggestions? Should I adjust some settings? Do I need to just dedicate to using it for a couple of weeks?

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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I switched from MBP to a Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu. I compare the experience to living in a hotel vs. living at home [1]. In a hotel (=on Mac), everything is stylish and cared for, but you have very little freedom to change things. At home (=on Linux), you need to do the dishes yourself but there's no external agenda. It's simply yours. I'm very happy with the switch. Though I'm on (Debian+) Xfce now instead of Ubuntu…

I’d get a Thinkpad! Compatibility wise the dell is great but build quality is lacking. The Thinkpads (X, T, Carbons) are all light years ahead and have similar - if not better - compatibility out of the box. I have a X1 Carbon 6th gen and the battery life is awesome and everything besides the fingerprint reader works out of the box.

How does the trackpad perform compared to Macbooks? That's one area where I haven't found a Macbook equivalent

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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1. I hope Surface from Microsoft will succeed. For those that live through the real IE era, i.e you are 35+ or 40s, I cant believe I am recommanding Microsoft.

2. I hope Apple fails, it seems obvious Tim Cook is lacking the awful tasing medicine Steve Jobs once had.

Unfortunately it wont happen. iOS developers will need a Mac anyway, and along with those Professionals that uses MacBook, the MacBook will continue to do well and Apple will look at the sales Data and say everything is fine. ( Apple's definition of Professional is very Narrow, and programmers dont fit into that category )

We are close to 5 years mark since the butterfly Keyboard was fist introduced on MacBook in early 2015.

Re: Ask HN: Feasible Alternative to the MacBook Pro?

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X1 Carbon is a really nice device. Its pretty reliable, Linux friendly and has no spyware installed like some other Lenovo lines. But no matter what laptop you pick, its gonna take you a couple of weeks until you are comfortable with it. But it will happen eventually. Laptops have the same interface after all. Switching the entire software stack from Mac to any other OS is probably the main struggle. Try a couple of…

The ones I’ve seen look pretty appealing but don’t think I could bring myself to purchase something from such a disreputable company
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