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Re: Tina is not a CMS

#41

Post by ncphillips »

codegeek wrote: post #30
andretti1977 wrote: post #10

I love static sites and made some using Hugo. A year later i've started working with WordPress and its ugly/nice (it depends) Gutenberg editor and to be honest, having a look at the quality (yes, there are a lot of excellent plugins and a lot of bad ones) and the availabilty of plugins,i think WordPress is the only platform to go for business oriented websites where seo, caching and other things matters a lot. I've b…

So much this. We work with WordPress where our non tech savvy cllients have to build a lot of content using page builders. I wish there was an easy way to auto deploy most of the content as static while keeping the power of CMS capability. We either have very User oriented CMSs including WordPress or developer oriented tools like Gatsby/gridsome etc. Sorry but my B2B client is not going to run a "gatsby build" on eve…

A lot of the problems you’re talking about have been solved for years now. A common setup might be Forestry CMS, Gatsby SSG, and Netlify to build+deploy. And Tina Teams will be the future of that:

https://tinacms.org/teams

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#44

Post by codegeek »

marc_io wrote: post #36
codegeek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much this. We work with WordPress where our non tech savvy cllients have to build a lot of content using page builders. I wish there was an easy way to auto deploy most of the content as static while keeping the power of CMS capability. We either have very User oriented CMSs including WordPress or developer oriented tools like Gatsby/gridsome etc. Sorry but my B2B client is not going to run a "gatsby build" on eve…

So you should try Publii CMS. It's a good use case for this. Very “client oriented”. It can deploy static sites to Netlify, Github Pages, FTP, and so on.

But does it match WordPress in terms of functionality, plugin ecosystem, ease of deployment etc?

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#45

Post by marc_io »

codegeek wrote: post #44
marc_io wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you should try Publii CMS. It's a good use case for this. Very “client oriented”. It can deploy static sites to Netlify, Github Pages, FTP, and so on.

But does it match WordPress in terms of functionality, plugin ecosystem, ease of deployment etc?

Regarding plugins and functionality, not really. But the deployment is easier — and free. For simple sites, it's a real alternative.

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#46

Post by codegeek »

ncphillips wrote: post #41
codegeek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much this. We work with WordPress where our non tech savvy cllients have to build a lot of content using page builders. I wish there was an easy way to auto deploy most of the content as static while keeping the power of CMS capability. We either have very User oriented CMSs including WordPress or developer oriented tools like Gatsby/gridsome etc. Sorry but my B2B client is not going to run a "gatsby build" on eve…

A lot of the problems you’re talking about have been solved for years now. A common setup might be Forestry CMS, Gatsby SSG, and Netlify to build+deploy. And Tina Teams will be the future of that: https://tinacms.org/teams

But my problem is that my customers cannot run cli. they don't even know what command line is forget running anything on it. So are you saying that Tina teams is built for non tech savvy customers who can use th CMS capability but then everything is auto built/deployed static somewhere AND it also retains any dynamic capabilities that were setup ? Here is a use case:

1. Customer logs in to Tina CMS dashboard as admin (similar to WordPress admin login) 2. Customer creates a landing page with dynamic stuff on it. Say a section with some latest blog posts. Again, this is dynamically pulling in from the database. 3. Customer also creates a "Contact Us" page that has a form that auto emails on submission. 4. Once customer has created these 2 pages above (assuming Tina CMS has nice drag/drop building capability like WordPress page builders), now what happens ?

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#47

Post by petra »

codegeek wrote: post #30
andretti1977 wrote: post #10

I love static sites and made some using Hugo. A year later i've started working with WordPress and its ugly/nice (it depends) Gutenberg editor and to be honest, having a look at the quality (yes, there are a lot of excellent plugins and a lot of bad ones) and the availabilty of plugins,i think WordPress is the only platform to go for business oriented websites where seo, caching and other things matters a lot. I've b…

So much this. We work with WordPress where our non tech savvy cllients have to build a lot of content using page builders. I wish there was an easy way to auto deploy most of the content as static while keeping the power of CMS capability. We either have very User oriented CMSs including WordPress or developer oriented tools like Gatsby/gridsome etc. Sorry but my B2B client is not going to run a "gatsby build" on eve…

>> The sweet spot worth billions would be WordPress type.CMS that auto deploys static content

that's hardypress, or strattic

I'm using hardypress, no auto deploys, but for content editors, it's a easy button press on the top of the admin area.

>> while keeping dynamic features as needed.

is this list complete enough?

https://www.strattic.com/static-tools/

sidenote: this would be extremely valuable, but as a business, it's very easy to copy. No secret sauce, no network effects, no customer lock-in.

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#48

Post by ncphillips »

codegeek wrote: post #46
ncphillips wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the problems you’re talking about have been solved for years now. A common setup might be Forestry CMS, Gatsby SSG, and Netlify to build+deploy. And Tina Teams will be the future of that: https://tinacms.org/teams

But my problem is that my customers cannot run cli. they don't even know what command line is forget running anything on it. So are you saying that Tina teams is built for non tech savvy customers who can use th CMS capability but then everything is auto built/deployed static somewhere AND it also retains any dynamic capabilities that were setup ? Here is a use case: 1. Customer logs in to Tina CMS dashboard as admin…

> But my problem is that my customers cannot run cli

They don't need to. Netlify watches your Github repository and automatically triggers a deploy when changed. They just press save and it gets deployed.

> Tina CMS has nice drag/drop building capability like WordPress page builders

It does! So does Forestry, it's called the Blocks feature.

https://forestry.io/blog/blocks-give-your-editors-the-power-...

https://tinacms.org/docs/fields/blocks

Re: Tina is not a CMS

#49

Post by ncphillips »

chrismorgan wrote: post #32
glaberficken wrote: post #20

>"using a CMS feels more like filing your taxes than editing a website" Loved this quote. I've recently realized this when trying to get a family member (millennial generation) to understand how to edit the simple website she had created using wordpress.

I’m guessing that quote was written by an American. For comparison, I filed my Australian taxes on Friday. My tax affairs are admittedly fairly simple, but I comfortably finished the whole process in under ten minutes including looking up a few things for such items as deductions for my home office. Not all taxes are hard, just as not all CMSes are hard.

The quote was more about the experience (i.e. just a long list of form fields with no context) rather then about the difficulty.
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