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When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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I know people in HN hate to talk about politics, but this is a political problem. People, please vote for medicare for all candidates, it might not affect your life now, but you don't know what the future holds for you.

Medicare for all is not a solution. The solution is make health insurance act like insurance. Health service provider needs to post their price like all services and products. They need to compete for our business.

It's not a free market if you're forced to participate. And if you're alive and want to stay that way, you're forced to participate.

So, no, "insurance" will never under any circumstances be the correct model to work from. (And no, I don't know what is.)

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Yes, but not sure to many Americans would be better off with the free heath care North Korea offers.

actually, maybe read the linked paragraphs. from what I understand "many Americans" have basically no access to healthcare whatsoever (think homeless people for example) so your statement might not hold as tightly as you'd like...

Pretty much anyone homeless is going be eligible for Medicaid. Problem for them is navigating the system to get care.

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In the US you don't need a law degree to be a Supreme Court Judge. It's pretty common with elected positions - it's up to voters to make the decision.

I know sheriffs are elected too. I wonder if some rich person could just spend a bunch of money on ads with no qualifications when it comes to law enforcement and win in their county. Sounds like something a bored millionaire who retired early might do just for fun.

Shaquille O'Neal has expressed interest in becoming a sheriff, though he has been a deputy for a while and has taken some of the training.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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Medicare for all is not a solution. The solution is make health insurance act like insurance. Health service provider needs to post their price like all services and products. They need to compete for our business.

Absolute nonsense. What about the poor people who only have one hospital nearby that might not accept their insurance? What about people who go to a hospital that's in their network, but it turns out one of the many doctors was not? The people who have a time critical illness who can't afford to do the whole Free Market thing right after a accident? How does anyone know that when they arrive somewhere the exact numbe…

> What about the poor people who only have one hospital nearby that might not accept their insurance? What about people who go to a hospital that's in their network, but it turns out one of the many doctors was not? The people who have a time critical illness who can't afford to do the whole Free Market thing right after a accident?

All of these only apply to time-critical procedures. Otherwise you should be able to use the doctor and hospital which is covered.

Let's assume that emergency medicine should be provided by cities in the same way as other emergency services like fire companies. What's the argument for doing it that way for all medical services, including the ones that are not time sensitive and allow you plenty of time to shop around and choose the provider with the best combination of price, distance, scheduling availability, etc.?

> There's far too many variables at play for even software engineers to manage unless you dedicate a significant amount of your free time to maintaining an excel spreadsheet of every hospital near you and their prices, formulate the exact cheapest plan on the fly according to your personal needs and can pull that out immediately when you have a medical emergency.

This is hardly the only circumstance where there are many variables. Should the government buy everyone the same car because there are so many different choices between prices and safety ratings and fuel economy and performance? How does that even help, since the solution space is the same and government knows less about your priorities than you do?

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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I know people in HN hate to talk about politics, but this is a political problem. People, please vote for medicare for all candidates, it might not affect your life now, but you don't know what the future holds for you.

Medicare for all is not a solution. The solution is make health insurance act like insurance. Health service provider needs to post their price like all services and products. They need to compete for our business.

> They need to compete for our business.

No, they don't. When you're out of breath with pain running down your left arm and are about to collapse, you're going to try to get to the nearest hospital, not first shop around to see which one has the most competitive rates like you're buying a new car or something.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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Some people become lawyers without degrees too. They study law just like anybody else they just dont run themselves into school debt. These too can become judges. Edit: I couldnt find the term but now I did. You become a lawyer by becoming an apprentice of another lawyer. I assume these people become judges. In some states the only requirement to become a judge is to have been a lawyer. My original point was to take…

It is also called "reading the law". But you are right, you do it under the supervision of a licensed attorney. Reading the law does not get you out of sitting for the bar exam. Going to a top-10 law school does not get you out of sitting for the bar exam either, at least in California. In Cali, the pass rate for the bar exam (3 days long) was around 45% when my wife took it (and passed it on first go! Yay!). So, sur…

Thanks for that additional insight, I had not known it was also called reading the law. I think yeah if you pass the bar exam you deserve to be good to go for sure. I assume those who do this are not considered to have "studied law" which is what the OP in this thread is seemingly missing in my opinion.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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> Hassenplug replied, “Well, this will end when one of us dies.”

So he's going to continue to waste:

1) his own time. 2) the other guy's time. 3) a judge's time (and therefore taxpayer money).

Aside from the moral implications of the method of debt collection itself (harassing the most helpless), this is basically a crime against everyone. Such a waste.

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Medicare for all is not a solution. The solution is make health insurance act like insurance. Health service provider needs to post their price like all services and products. They need to compete for our business.

Absolute nonsense. What about the poor people who only have one hospital nearby that might not accept their insurance? What about people who go to a hospital that's in their network, but it turns out one of the many doctors was not? The people who have a time critical illness who can't afford to do the whole Free Market thing right after a accident? How does anyone know that when they arrive somewhere the exact numbe…

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Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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My life was ruined by badly done, and even worse ultimately unneeded surgery. That privilege initially cost me many thousands, along with career and insurance going away, and the subsequent struggle to survive since has cost multiples of that. My entire future billed away. For a time I was able to avoid collectors because of a significant savings a frugal life had left me, but as time goes on you have to choose betwe…

I know people in HN hate to talk about politics, but this is a political problem. People, please vote for medicare for all candidates, it might not affect your life now, but you don't know what the future holds for you.

Why Medicare for all vs other reforms

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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My life was ruined by badly done, and even worse ultimately unneeded surgery. That privilege initially cost me many thousands, along with career and insurance going away, and the subsequent struggle to survive since has cost multiples of that. My entire future billed away. For a time I was able to avoid collectors because of a significant savings a frugal life had left me, but as time goes on you have to choose betwe…

Some medical issues spontaneously present and you end up needing an emergency procedure and there’s very little you can do in that situation to control the costs.

In the best case scenario, everything is considered in-network and you are on the hook for up to your annual maximum out of pocket expense.

But for a condition where you can predict a short/medium term future which is going to involve being inundated with medical bills, one thing you absolutely must consider is whether working (earning money) is actually costing you more than not working.

It’s going to vary dramatically depending on the state you live in (and that’s something you need to consider about where you decide to live) particularly if the state expanded Medicaid under ACA.

In cases where there are massive predictable bills, earning a dollar more than the Medicaid eligibility threshold will likely cost you at least $10-$20k per year after tax, but in a failure mode could cost you much, much more. Not to mention there are no premiums - compared to potentially paying the full out of pocket maximum on top of full-bore monthly COBRA premiums after losing a job - if you don’t realize a better option is available.

Getting income down, getting on Medicaid and SNAP, shelters you from any medical bills (you literally never see a bill on Medicaid, and can see a huge network of providers) and that peace of mind can help you focus on healing.

In some states if a medical issue forces you to stop working you can also get short-term disability payments which are entirely tax free, and do not count toward Medicaid eligibility.

It’s important to understand all the options that are possible and under what terms they are accessible, and be willing to do what’s necessary to get access to those benefits when your life depends on it.

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