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When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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This is happening in Kansas. Everyone feels bad, but not enough to actually vote based on the issue. That suggests it isn't really a major issue for them.

Not only do they suffer, but numerous people in progressive states also suffer because right-leaning states like Kansas vote the country towards these types of repressive laws.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a financial strain bankruptcy would fix. I cannot walk away from current needs for medical care, housing, food etc. I am getting worse not better which equals more needs and cost with less to no resources. You cannot sign up for a post paid life in America and just ignore the costs. The featured article shows how that debt snowballs into worse issues. There won't be seven years in my future at this rate…

Im sorry to hear about your situation. I asked the question because I have a family member who was in a similar situation to you and rather than make prudent choices, he made decisions based on pride and not wanting hand outs. Years later if cost him dearly. Not saying this js you, but I know there are people who pay debts because it's. "the right thing to do" without realizing it may be the worst thing to do for the…

I apologize for any defensiveness. I am exhausted and tired of being in pain, poor, and alone. I am often criticized and blamed and it conditions you to expect bad from people. I try to stay aware many people mean well but sometimes I overreact. I avoided asking for help for a long time for the pride reasons you mentioned...hoping I could find a way...but once it became clear that wasn't going to happen and I did reach out it was denial and silence at every turn. In all these years only one person, a complete stranger, offered any real path, and like some perfect game some trickster god would design that path was blocked by outside forces as I took the first step on it. Seeing every system you trusted and all the people who promised you support deny you...and worse BLAME you...is soul crushing.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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I'm reminded of some lines from "A Christmas Carol." "Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?" ... It's wild how many changes to embolden debt collections happens in so many places, often snuck in by a few legislators that just don't think they'll get called out and generally don't. I'm lucky to live in a state that to my knowledge has a lot of protections in place and makes it harder to charge interest or sue…

I'm not sure I understand the downvotes... unless those downvoting likes how things are and feel the medical industries should just run roughshod over the population.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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My life was ruined by badly done, and even worse ultimately unneeded surgery. That privilege initially cost me many thousands, along with career and insurance going away, and the subsequent struggle to survive since has cost multiples of that. My entire future billed away. For a time I was able to avoid collectors because of a significant savings a frugal life had left me, but as time goes on you have to choose betwe…

"PSA:"

It would be nice if HN did a better job of treating statements like this as testimony regarding the problem space and not an invitation for personal critique. The odds are extremely poor that some random internet stranger can fix a mess like this by making one good suggestion in a public comment.

If you are genuinely willing to give someone like this scads of money or do a fundraiser (or otherwise actually try to help them in earnest), cool. But my experience suggests you probably aren't and multiple public personal questions easily comes across as invasive and blamey, especially for someone living with a lot of duress already.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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A quick suggestion. If things are really this dire sign up for platinum coverage under a total in-network HMO like Kaiser. Platinum 90 0/10 as an example. If you have serious medical costs these plans are MAJORLY subsidized because they don't discriminate on pre-existing conditions. You CANNOT go out of network.

No health insurance can deny insurance coverage for pre existing conditions since ACA was passed.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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If you wanted a small fix as opposed to my preferred solution of burn it to the ground as an example to every other shitty industry. That fix would be to require insurance companies to be the primary bag holder. Not the patient. AKA a the 'independent' anesthesiologist can't sue the patient, he has to sue the insurance company. At least in that case everyone involved has deep pockets and a strong hand. The reason I s…

I agree. The idea is the insurance negotiates on my behalf. If they don't pay, I don't pay, and I don't understand how we arrived at the existing status quo.

Because not all providers are contracted with your insurance. If there exists an agreement between your insurance and the provider (I.e. in network), then the insurance company does pay for everything beyond the out of pocket maximum.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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This is happening in Kansas. Everyone feels bad, but not enough to actually vote based on the issue. That suggests it isn't really a major issue for them. Not only do they suffer, but numerous people in progressive states also suffer because right-leaning states like Kansas vote the country towards these types of repressive laws.

I live in Kansas. We currently have a Democratic governor who is quite progressive by this state's standards. She's in her job because the voters rejected another 4 years of Brownback-style austerity. Brownback ended his term with ~21 percent approval. Currently, the state still doesn't have the ACA Medicaid expansion, but we're very close to having enough votes in the legislature. I'm cautiously optimistic about next year's legislative session.

The voters do respond, eventually. But the ship is slow to turn. With the wave of rural Kansas hospital closures, farmers going out of business due to the tariffs, and stories like the one linked, Medicaid expansion is very popular with the voters. The pressure is only going to grow.

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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My life was ruined by badly done, and even worse ultimately unneeded surgery. That privilege initially cost me many thousands, along with career and insurance going away, and the subsequent struggle to survive since has cost multiples of that. My entire future billed away. For a time I was able to avoid collectors because of a significant savings a frugal life had left me, but as time goes on you have to choose betwe…

Stories like these are why I feel like the medical system in America is extremist, and not a rational, pragmatic, or effective system. We are like the North Korea of healthcare.

Ironically, North Korea has a national health service and free universal health care for all its citizens. [0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_North_Korea#Heal...

Re: When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

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My life was ruined by badly done, and even worse ultimately unneeded surgery. That privilege initially cost me many thousands, along with career and insurance going away, and the subsequent struggle to survive since has cost multiples of that. My entire future billed away. For a time I was able to avoid collectors because of a significant savings a frugal life had left me, but as time goes on you have to choose betwe…

I know people in HN hate to talk about politics, but this is a political problem.

People, please vote for medicare for all candidates, it might not affect your life now, but you don't know what the future holds for you.

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