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Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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I believe you are conflating "being in the market" with "not being successful in the market". You said they're not in the market ("totally removed"). If they're not in the market, attempting to make a sale, the odds of ever making sale are zero. If you're in the market, and nobody is buying, you need to improve your product or target other potential customers. If this was about software or other such, everyone would…

Right, but with humans, the only viable option to fulfill this proposition is a positional arms race of plastic surgery. Innovation in a market is usually good and has brought huge benefits; you can't really "improve" your looks after possibly weight loss and personal care without a doctor. Of course you can usually improve yourself, but dating apps usually mean judgement by attractiveness. It's basically the differe…

> you can't really "improve" your looks after possibly weight loss and personal care without a doctor.

An appropriate hair cut (which might be going totally bald for some people) is a big deal. This also involves facial hair. Clothes are another easy and very effective thing to change. Eyeglasses. And all these things have to work together.

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> Something changed starting around 2012 One hypothesis to consider: the Affordable Care Act which became effective in 2010. It may be that somehow the healthcare changes that followed had an adverse effect, and that it took 2 years for increased infection rates to compound and begin to be reported.

That is one way to say Tinder...

Huh, that’s another really interesting hypothesis.

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I’m not saying it’s causation, but the timing is amusing. Article > “Something changed starting around 2012,” said Gail Bolan, director of the CDC division of STD prevention. “We’ve seen dramatic increases each year in both males and females.” Wikipedia > Tinder was launched in 2012 within startup incubator Hatch Labs,[7][8] a joint venture of IAC and mobile development firm Xtreme Labs.[9] By 2014, Tinder was regist…

Yeah it's not a puzzle at all. People in committed relationships have more sex than people who are having casual sex.

Um, if only.

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> I'm sure happily married couples are leaving even their most promiscuous peers in the dust with their nuptial regularity. The traditional wisdom is that this isn't true at all.

Yeah, getting married is a sure way to stop having sex.

That's more of a pop culture trope. In my experience,the experience of my friends close enough to discuss these things with, and existing studies the opposite is true.

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I'm bisexual (male) and for a long time now I have had a lot more sexual success among men than among women (i.e. zero success in the latter case). I've been meaning to change this situation, so I tried Tinder with the settings adjusted, so that Tinder thinks I am only "interested in women". First try - no matches. Second try - one match, conversation ended with no explanation after 2 exchanges. Third try - 3 matches…

I think you are discovering that women, on average, have different expectations from a sexual relationship than men. In fact, it is not weird at all to find that men are much more interested in one night stands than women. Even women who are interested in casual sex tend to want their partner to be at least open to the idea of entering into a relationship. If anything in your bio hints that you are only interested in…

It’s also worth noting that in (north america? western societies?) many women (and certainly almost 100% of women using dating apps) are numbed by a nearly constant and pervasive onslaught of possible sex partners. From that position then, they would never look for sex partners, they would simply choose to say yes the next time someone asks.

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I'm bisexual (male) and for a long time now I have had a lot more sexual success among men than among women (i.e. zero success in the latter case). I've been meaning to change this situation, so I tried Tinder with the settings adjusted, so that Tinder thinks I am only "interested in women". First try - no matches. Second try - one match, conversation ended with no explanation after 2 exchanges. Third try - 3 matches…

Women naturally bear higher risk from a one night stand. Pregnancy isn’t easy on the body at all. And that’s just the physical aspect of it. It’s not surprising that there’s a little aversion to one night stands.

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It's not baffling at all, it costs $1,800 for 30 days worth of Truvada. Descovy has less side-effects than Truvada, but Gilead conveniently timed Descovy's indication for PrEP to align with Truvada's patent expiration. Truvada is particularly hard on the kidneys, and can cause kidney damage or failure. Descovy doesn't put its users at risk of kidney damage. The wholesale cost of generic Truvada in the developing worl…

My thing is that the government would want to subsidize it. Who wouldn't want to score political points as the guy who eradicated HIV? (or made a big dent) However, based on what you're saying, I wonder if the push is being delayed so that the government can wait for the patent expiration and subsidize at a much cheaper cost.

There's more political value in demonizing at-risk populations than there is addressing the public health issues that affect them.

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I was in college in the early 2000s. I've never used a dating app. I have dated since the advent of dating apps.

The generation that has grown up with apps (esp social media apps) for everything has really gotten the short end of the stick in my opinion. There's an image consciousness that underlies everything now. Everything needs to have that Best Life sheen.

Take for example, the differing experiences of getting a tattoo. When I got one, it was a classic impulsive decision. I didn't save up for it for months, I didn't even think about what I wanted until I was in the studio (a word applied loosely here...) looking at a binder of the art (a word applied loosely here...) people got tattoos of. I didn't have a voice in my head that said "picking from the same 50 tattoos as everybody else is BASIC", didn't seek out a renowned artist who might pose with me for a selfie and @mention me afterward, none of that. I was incapable of even forming the thought. There definitely wasn't some heart-rending, inspiring story behind it that would get hundreds of likes on Instagram. I just got a little tipsy, got a questionable idea in my head, went down to a very working class strip mall and bam, from then on I had a tattoo.

Consider also: I didn't try to hide that tattoo from my parents and they still didn't find out about it for nearly an entire year. The other day a friend of mine was able to deduce that in the beginning of the past decade they had slept with someone who was now in a relationship with their coworker/acquaintance based on an internet search, and my parents didn't know I had a tattoo for an entire year! Once everyone could see what everyone else was doing, you couldn't just get a tattoo out of the tattoo binder any more. The average tattoo I see nowadays is far more artfully executed, well thought out and tastefully designed. The freedom to not worry about these things, however, was vastly underrated.

You still had to worry about your image back then, but it wasn't this always-on national pastime. When you were around someone you wanted to impress, you tried to impress them. When you weren't, you just did other things. If you and your friends went hiking and decided to get a photo of yourselves at the top of the mountain? Decent chance the film was never developed at all. Best case, it ends up on someone's corkboard as a happy memory. You could eat a cheesesteak when you visited Philadelphia without the exhausting worry about whether this particular place was the too-famous one that marked you as a lame tourist because everybody knows is strictly for out-of-towners only. You just ate a sandwich and moved on with your life.

Life was better when we weren't so acutely aware that we were being observed.

Dating is harder now. I agree with some of the somewhat controversial comments on here in that it probably is more of a winner take all game now than it was in the past. The mistake to my way of thinking is in throwing up your hands, going full on misanthrope and dismissing everybody who is having success on these platforms as a bunch of Chads and Stacys. You don't have to play the Tinder game even if you're of this generation. It can work even if your not the sort who can just sit down on a barstool and wait for opportunity to find you. Cultivate an IRL social network. You'll be surprised how much mileage you get out of friend of a friend or friend of a friend of a friend dating.

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Didn't downvote you, especially since I don't have the ability to, but: "try the good old speaking to a girl instead of going through an app" I think the issue may be that women are using digital tools to find relationships. Talking to my SO, being friends with a number of women, and reading the news, I can't say I blame them, as it allows them to be the selector on the first contact in a safer environment. So: "Are…

You have no social activities involving women outside of gym, store, and bar? Stop trying to "pick them up" in the first place. Find a social activity, and try to befriend a few people. If you're interested, ask a girl out. It seems as though the root of this is less socialization. I always thought you were usually supposed to get to know someone before asking out. I know HN isn't big on religion, but churches served…

Sorry, I can see why my answer might have made it sound like I was speaking for myself.

Like I said, I'm in a relationship. I don't go to the gym, don't drink, and never attempted to pick someone up at a store. Like finding a job, I've found the best way to meet people is by way of recommendation from people you know. Doesn't always work out - had some extremely poor experiences - but that's life.

Otherwise, I would mostly agree with your second paragraph in general. I was raised Catholic, but stopped being Catholic somewhere between 4th and 6th grade (so there may be some bias, both ways), and agree that church, sports, school, and work were typically the ways people would get to know others, and eventually hook up.

I'm not a young person, so I'm not about to know what challenges they face in an always connected world, 24/7 news cycle, and world leaders (and their speakers) using Twitter/social media platforms to communicate with each other, but that seems to be the big shift since I was. Disconnecting is great (playing board games is my go-to), but with the world placing such importance on the benefits of the Internet and all these social platforms ...

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Attractiveness is constant, but how it is perceived might have shifted. I vaguely remember that OkCupid did some "study" that men rate most woman around average attractiveness and the distribution is symmetric, but women rate most men as below average attractiveness and the distribution is skewed towards unattractive. The post seems to be gone though.

The data was so damning the purged it, basically it said there’s no reason for most men to be on dating sites, which works against Okcupids best interest. There are mirrors.

It didn't say that actually. Whilst men may be nearly all rated as less attractive than average by women (lol), women are still more likely to message less attractive men than men are women. So men can use dating sites, especially if they're willing to hit on average looking women, they'll just have to put up with a partner who is convinced she compromised physically.
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