Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
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Re: Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
#2I wouldn't be that surprised if the 737 Max never flies again.
So the DoJ has a criminal investigation ongoing. That's one thing.
But the airlines and the families of the victims of the two fatal crashes have standing to sue Boeing over this. This will take a long time to play out. The problem for Boeing here is that these civil suits will have an extensive discovery phase.
All they really need is an exchange like this and to follow the trail. Did a manager bury it? How high did these concerns go? Who was aware of this and signed off on having this system rely on a single sensor?
We're now at the point where single exchange that can be construed as a cover up will kill this plane.
It's absolutely shocking to me that Boeing has played so fast and loose with their reputation in a desperate attempt to compete with the A320neo.
So after all of this, how are we still at the stage this is "jeopardizing" the job of the CEO? Like he should be done. If the ever-ballooning CEO pay packets are justified by the shareholder value they create, doesn't the reverse apply? The CEO is responsible even if he was completely unaware of it because he failed to be aware of it, because he failed to create the culture and management structure that allowed this to happen.
Re: Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
#3Americans don't understand how lucky they are, to live in a system where less than a thousand civilian deaths is enough to so severely damage one of the country's most powerful corporations, with very close ties to the military.
Re: Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
#4So this Forkner guy was the chief test pilot for the 737.
He sends emails saying the MCAS is out of control. He also is the one that tells the FAA MCAS should not be included in flight materials, and he later emails them to remind them to remove it when they include it anyway.
His attorney says he's a nice guy and was under pressure from others.
Great. Indict him, bring him in, and have him testify under oath who these others are and what exactly they ordered him to do.
As to the claim Boeing couldn't turn over the letters they found before the second crash to the FAA because the FAA itself was being "criminally investigated", first what difference does that make given the FAA is still the oversight agency, and second given that that investigation didn't start until after the second crash and therefore wasn't even a thing at the time they discovered the emails.
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#5TFA doesn't seem to go far enough. Does anyone know the particulars of the simulator experiences that inspired these comments? Was the simulator that inspired those comments an accurate reflection of the real plane? Was it the same simulator that was used by airline pilots? If not, which was more accurate? Can the programmers of the simulator be made available to investigators?
If the point is just to stir the pot a bit more, that's fine I guess. Keep up the pressure; everyone at Boeing and FAA who took part in pushing this through owe a lot of suffering to the families of their victims. I'm just not sure that someone who interacted with a computer simulation is going to be the best-informed Congressional witness. That is, if the goal is really to find out exactly what happened.
Re: Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
#6I wouldn't be that surprised if the 737 Max never flies again. So the DoJ has a criminal investigation ongoing. That's one thing. But the airlines and the families of the victims of the two fatal crashes have standing to sue Boeing over this. This will take a long time to play out. The problem for Boeing here is that these civil suits will have an extensive discovery phase. All they really need is an exchange like th…
I think it will fly again. I won't be surprised if it takes years and some modifications to the systems before then. It may in fact turn the 737 Max into an overall loss for Boeing due to lower sales and contractual fees owed to the airlines for the planes that have already been sold and re-certifying pilots to fly it
But fixing the 737 is going to be strictly less money than developing a new model for Boeing. The right call here is to fix the issues both in software and possibly with the addition of more redundancies in the sensors. They were definitely bloodied by this but the plane itself is salvageable.
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#7Americans don't understand how lucky they are, to live in a system where less than a thousand civilian deaths is enough to so severely damage one of the country's most powerful corporations, with very close ties to the military.
It is a global business and the FAA is not the only body passing judgement over the airworthiness and inclusion in a fleet portfolio.
Re: Boeing Pilot’s 2016 Worry on ‘Egregious’ Max Roils Jet’s Future
#8I wouldn't be that surprised if the 737 Max never flies again. So the DoJ has a criminal investigation ongoing. That's one thing. But the airlines and the families of the victims of the two fatal crashes have standing to sue Boeing over this. This will take a long time to play out. The problem for Boeing here is that these civil suits will have an extensive discovery phase. All they really need is an exchange like th…
I think it will fly again. I won't be surprised if it takes years and some modifications to the systems before then. It may in fact turn the 737 Max into an overall loss for Boeing due to lower sales and contractual fees owed to the airlines for the planes that have already been sold and re-certifying pilots to fly it But fixing the 737 is going to be strictly less money than developing a new model for Boeing. The ri…
What happens if a 737 MAX crashes? Boeing was confident in their planes when they were falling from the skies, how much more confident are they going to be when they re-introduce it into service? They(Boeing and FAA) weren't even looking into it, they were %100 sure that the plane is fine. How the public is suppsed to know that this time is different?
Okay, they may change the name but if a crash happens the media will roll the ball to point out that this is re-named 737 MAX. Is this still cheaper than developing a new plane?
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#9So the chief test pilot for the MAX project complained about this system making the plane uncontrollable and this was all swept under the rug?
People need to be put in prison over this. This is negligent homicide.
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#10Americans don't understand how lucky they are, to live in a system where less than a thousand civilian deaths is enough to so severely damage one of the country's most powerful corporations, with very close ties to the military.
As an American, I feel fortunate that a company can sign off on its own plane, kill hundreds of people, and continue to advocate for the plane to return to service with only a software update. /s