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Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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I guess if we're going to discuss this article again, I should get to say my piece about it again: > To lounge on a beach or travel the world and not actively engage in building your arsenal of expertise is professional malpractice. I've seen this thought expressed before in writing about Startups. If you're not burning your life down 24/7 in the struggle to make it Big, you're doing it wrong. But that's silly. The e…

I find your comment exceptionally interesting, because I find it really easy to square what you’re saying and what the article is saying. A couple hypotheses that I’ve been chewing on for a few years now:

- the “grow huge or go home” startup is one path, but not the only path. Looking around your own city will make it obvious that smaller profitable businesses that provide goods or services do exist in this world and are a perfectly reasonable way to make money. I, personally, am perfectly happy to be involved in a business that makes a consistent healthy profit, rather than being perpetually in the red, chasing hockey stick growth.

- putting time/money into things that will pay consistent dividends is huge leverage. In your case, you put time into your product upfront and are now reaping those dividends. You don’t say explicitly whether you built it yourself or hired someone to do it, but either way... over a decade, you either invested time or money into it to turn it into a dividend-generating machine

- in a lot of ways, the ultimate goal for a business is to turn into something that can continue to run without the owner/founder’s involvement at all. It may not get 100% there while the owner is still around, but if the business isn’t something that can eventually be sold and managed by someone else, it’s more a job than a business, and when the owner retires, the business disappears too.

For me, your model of a lifestyle business is beautiful, but it’s significantly different than the 4 Hour Work Week model of a lifestyle business. Those two end up getting lumped together and depending on which model people are thinking about when they read “lifestyle business”, they have significantly different reactions. My own reactions:

- “I spent 10 years building a SaaS product that makes me enough money to go rock climbing all the time”: AWESOME! Nicely done! That is fantastic!

- “I spent a few months tracking down suppliers on AliExpress that can dropship cheap sunglasses. This makes enough money to go rock climbing all the time”: Urgh... well... hopefully that works out well for you long term I guess.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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I like the author's emphasis on taking one's craft seriously, and pursuing curiosity as a means to build expertise in any domain of their choice. The interpretation of "four hour work week" is fragmented, and people choose the parts to retain what they think aligns closely to them or sometimes easy to adopt. To me, the essence of the the "four hour work week" is to look beyond traditional occupations and instil habits that allows one to optimize on their time while keeping a healthy work-life harmony. The take away for me is that hard work and dedication has no substitutes and one should not see "hacks" and "shortcuts" as a way to achieve long term success, but rather use them reasonably as a means to validate assumptions and pursue curiosity.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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Please don't copy-paste comments on HN. That lowers the signal-noise ratio. If you don't have something new to say, it's fine to let your old comment stand for itself.

Did this repost have anything new to say? Why not let the old thread speak for itself? Should HN block reposts? Note he copied his own comment... Which the majority of people wouldn't have seen otherwise because nobody goes through all the threads of all the reposts to see what was discussed back then. Please don't teach people how to self-censor.

HN threads are supposed to be conversations. In conversation one doesn't take a recording of what one said in a previous conversation and replay it. One makes a fresh statement of one's views, even if they're mostly the same as what one has thought in the past. That's part of how we relate to each other.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Submissions and comments play different roles. Submissions provide topics for conversation. Once enough time has gone by—on HN, about a year—the cache is considered clear and the floor is open for a fresh conversation on that topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

> Please don't teach people how to self-censor.

You could say that about any rule that asks users to do one thing rather than another. I think most people here would support "please don't copy/paste into the threads" as serving the overall quality of the forum rather than seeing it as a censorship issue. This is the sort of case where it's probably good to have a rule, since the thing we want to avoid is having copy/pasting become common.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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I tend to take this kind of article with a grain of salt, especially when there are definitive statements like: "To be successful over the course of a career requires the application and accumulation of expertise". This idea that top-skills are required to succeed is comforting for us craftsmen and craftswomen but ultimately misleading because it forces us to only look for paths leading to skill improvements.

I strongly believe that success is mostly opportunity-driven. Exploring the search space to find the most opportunities (ie. the Ferriss way) or exploiting those available by putting the effort in (ie. the craftsmanship way) are two valid non-mutually exclusives strategies. As always, either of them can work but for the best result I believe a combination of the two will outperform any strategy applied narrow-mindedly. Now, for the mixing proportions...

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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A question to HN: reading this and other discussions, it seems to me that "craftsmen" are being rated by how good a business they run (or are contributing to). Similarly with the word "professional". I'd like to ask, what then would be the word for a "craftsmen" by rated how good the work is at its purpose (and without the usual cop-out of redefining "good" as value in dollars)? Optimization for "good work" is only p…

You've built a false dichotomy between over-engineering and planned obsolescence. Outside of a few cases you can still buy the watch that will last 60 years or the amp that will last 20. The problem is that most people don't want to pay $2k for an amp when it's only benefit over a $400 one is that it'll work 16 more years. Most folks don't care to buy a $400 watch when you can get a nice one for $40. And, a lot more…

The price issue seems like a somewhat false dichotomy, because the more expensive brands don't operate on razor thin margins, so they could (and would have to) cut prices if there wasn't a back-pressure from the bottom-feeder brands.

On top of that, I wonder at which point does planned obsolescence and lack of quality becomes the broken window fallacy? What's a difference between a glazier's son running around and breaking windows, and the glazier installing a delayed-action chemical that cracks windows months after installation? What's the difference between either of that and designing products to fall apart sooner and sooner?

> Outside of a few cases you can still buy the watch that will last 60 years or the amp that will last 20.

Perhaps from artisans. I don't trust you can buy such things at any premium brands. There is every incentive to cheat, charge premium prices while still cutting corners on quality, and pocketing the difference. People eventually wise up to that, but that takes a lot of time, so it's reliable only with niche products.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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Appreciate the content, but not sure that "craftsmanship" is what is needed, it's a "generalist" approach rather than "specialist" that entrepreneurs need. Craftsmanship is about a dedication to a single activity, so a master cabinet maker, or a Wall St quant, or a "rock star" programmer (titles may vary).

Well capitalism is about arbitrage, so yeah you can buy low and sell high somewhere else. Problem with that is everyone does it and there's no market differentiation. I absolutely think you need craftsmanship. If you don't have it you have to pay for it or find someone who does. If you open a restaurant you need a chef if you release music you need a singer if you write code you need some developer to give you an edg…

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Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did this repost have anything new to say? Why not let the old thread speak for itself? Should HN block reposts? Note he copied his own comment... Which the majority of people wouldn't have seen otherwise because nobody goes through all the threads of all the reposts to see what was discussed back then. Please don't teach people how to self-censor.

HN threads are supposed to be conversations. In conversation one doesn't take a recording of what one said in a previous conversation and replay it. One makes a fresh statement of one's views, even if they're mostly the same as what one has thought in the past. That's part of how we relate to each other. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Submissions and comments play different roles. Sub…

So, if the same person happens to hit a repost and still holds the same opinion they want to publicly state, they are supposed to rephrase it? How does that help your signal/noise ratio: this seems to increase noise.

And I totally see a scenario where copy paste makes sense. Maybe the person wanted to have a discussion about their idea and there wasn't enough engagement (for whatever reason) previously. Repeating (and copy-pasting) the same idea with the hope that this time it gets discussion and cleared up seems totally fine.

Even in real life people do totally repeat themselves.

Anyhoo, you seem to be some sort of admin, so I guess this is important for you folks.

My 2c.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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> If you are to optimize for anything, optimize for the long term. Use the challenges of your business today to build mastery in your craft. There is no guarantee that any one venture will succeed, but that mastery will bend luck in your favor over the long course of your career.

I’ve found this has personally served me very well. Failed businesses and startups have indeed been great learning experiences. If you can keep a growth mindset and use cognitive tools to prevent rumination, it all just becomes more fuel to the fire that burns inside. Even if that simply means you are a more beneficial employee.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've built a false dichotomy between over-engineering and planned obsolescence. Outside of a few cases you can still buy the watch that will last 60 years or the amp that will last 20. The problem is that most people don't want to pay $2k for an amp when it's only benefit over a $400 one is that it'll work 16 more years. Most folks don't care to buy a $400 watch when you can get a nice one for $40. And, a lot more…

The price issue seems like a somewhat false dichotomy, because the more expensive brands don't operate on razor thin margins, so they could (and would have to) cut prices if there wasn't a back-pressure from the bottom-feeder brands. On top of that, I wonder at which point does planned obsolescence and lack of quality becomes the broken window fallacy? What's a difference between a glazier's son running around and br…

Planned obsolescence is wrong, and we are in agreement.

Having cheap (and therefore widely available) products that are hard to repair and may have short lifespans is generally desirable in my opinion, even though there are some ecological and worker rights issues.

We should be wary when we discuss what a premium brand is. Artificial brand tiers have led us to treat many mass market craptastic companies as "premium" despite them not knowing quality if it smacked them. Bose is an example of this - mass availability at a markup under the guise of a premium brand. But very few audio productions would depend on Bose products because they barely last in any kind of harsh environment.

Re: Craftsmanship – The Alternative to the Four Hour Work Week Mindset (2018)

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If you want authentic and high quality you need craft. If you're not building a lifestyle business you need craft to operate as a business. Who do you really think has a chance at success the guy who works 4 hours a week or the guy who puts time in their work? You need more but you need different kinds. There's no way to avoid the work, and you got to be good at the work to get anywhere. Marketing is a craft so is sa…

I don't see why you think the "4 hours a week guy" doesn't have a chance at success. Presumably, his definition of success is building a business that can be run in 4 hours a week while making enough money to fund his desired lifestyle. So if he managed to do that, he's already successful. I don't get this contempt for lifestyle businesses.

I think if "4 hours a week" means "spend 400 hours or 4000 hours then you can spend 4 hours a week" it's more honest. In short I think it's more honest to say, you might have to give up your lifestyle for awhile or have it be a small part of your life... For months or years. And have no guarantee of success.

It's not irrelevant it is key because it means giving up the way you live. It is important to go into it eyes wide open so if you lose you know how to try again or recover.

It's not a contempt I think it's a great idea I might even do it one day but the hidden catch of "lifestyle business" exists enough. And people deserve to know and compare with someone working their ass off, and compare chances of success.

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