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Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

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Re: Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

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It's a cynical move to hit their enrollment numbers, sold to the public as something to improve "diversity". But it's really just laying the groundwork for schools to cope with life after the college boom is over. For elite schools, it also makes it easier to provide cover for legacy and donor admissions. You no longer have to explain how Keese James Shackleford IV got into the the Shackleford school of dkljalfjaf wh…

Not just enrollment, but also % of applicants accepted.

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#32

I got a 1000/1600 on my first try of the SAT. Then I went through a $6,000 SAT summer camp, and got a 1600/1600. I used this score to tutor privileged children charging upwards to $100/hr. The conclusion, for me? The SAT has become just another way for the privileged to incestuously perpetuate privilege among themselves. I believe it's a great move to stop considering these test scores.

I agree the current system has become so warped and profiteering it needs an overhaul. Not sure dropping requirements altogether is the way to go though. At least the tests required people to work for a better score and get some idea of how to seriously study. Considering the abysmal academic skills of most college students I've taught, I can't imagine what fresh degree of ineptitude awaits.

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#33
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Next: no grades needed to get BS, MA, PhD. and no attendance necessary. After all some groups are at a disadvantage and they will not be able to attend the classes.. While we're at it - why don't we have The Degree Lottery (tm), or better yet, give degrees right after conception.

Regarding mandatory attendance - welcome to the German model. Most universites don't have mandatory attendance, which is good for subjects where there are many more students than available seats :). Also it's very handy for students who (have to) work in order to finance their studies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Common sense should tell us that standardized tests like this are not fair assessments of actual student academic potential. Common sense should tell you no such thing! Why wouldn't a test that measures a list of aptitudes (writing, comprehension, logic, math, etc.) not correlate to some extent to academic success in a liberal arts degree? Literally the classes you have to take are related to writing, comprehension…

The tests have been gamed by a test prep industry that extracts money from wealthy families. Colleges aren't admitting students based only on diversity. They are taking kids with excellent grades, volunteer work, etc. and giving them a closer look. It relies on the judgement of all of the student's high school teachers, rather than a centralized corporate assessment. Poor kids don't get second or third tries at tests…

>Colleges are held financial accountable to enroll students they can retain, so they can collect a full-term tuition. They aren't going to risk giving a valuable spot to a student that won't be able to perform well academically, just because they are 'diverse'.

One would hope this to be the case, but considering only about 50% of college freshmen come back for a second year, it doesn't seem like they're doing that well picking applicants with staying power.

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#35

I got a 1000/1600 on my first try of the SAT. Then I went through a $6,000 SAT summer camp, and got a 1600/1600. I used this score to tutor privileged children charging upwards to $100/hr. The conclusion, for me? The SAT has become just another way for the privileged to incestuously perpetuate privilege among themselves. I believe it's a great move to stop considering these test scores.

Some would say that's a sign the SAT should be improved to be a more accurate prediction of college success, rather than that it should be done away with all together.

I mean, if a graphics card review told you how many FPS you could expect on Half Life 2, it might not show the differences between modern graphics cards. But that's just a sign the reviewers should use a more modern game for their benchmark, not that they should switch to reviewing whether the card's designer sometimes volunteers at a soup kitchen or whether the maker spends a lot of money on ads in the magazine.

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#36
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Next: no grades needed to get BS, MA, PhD. and no attendance necessary. After all some groups are at a disadvantage and they will not be able to attend the classes.. While we're at it - why don't we have The Degree Lottery (tm), or better yet, give degrees right after conception.

Regarding mandatory attendance - welcome to the German model. Most universites don't have mandatory attendance, which is good for subjects where there are many more students than available seats :). Also it's very handy for students who (have to) work in order to finance their studies.

Eh, in my experience (entirely in USA) attendance is only part of the grade when the course is kind of squishy. Attendance was never even mentioned in the math or physics courses I took. However, it was very important in history and literature.

Re: Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

#37
Have all the commenters here assuming that this is a misguided attempt that'll end up letting any idiot into degree programs as long as they are labeled "diverse" considered that maybe, possibly standardized tests aren't necessarily a good measure of one's ability to a learn well through a degree program? That maybe the ability to answer hundreds of multiple choice questions and write five-paragraph essays in several high-pressure thirty minute sprints isn't a prerequisite to success in a field? Are they not bothered by the fact that these tests are surrounded by an industry of expensive prep classes specifically meant to teach you how to take a test?

This doesn't say you can't submit scores. Most still will. But it does say that performance on one specific exam doesn't have to be a deciding factor, which I see as a step forward.

Re: Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

#38
Maybe I'm wrong in one or many ways. But I'm reading a lot of people suggesting it's for the dumbening. But I never took anything like the SATs in Canada. I don't think we have that. And our universities seem to be doing great.

Here in Ontario admissions goes by your top 6 "university level" high school class grades. It helps prevent your future from being determined by a single test, which to me seems like a terrible design.

Re: Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

#39

This is because they want to enroll people too stupid to solve basic math problems.

... well, this is the real reason, but I don't think any professional would word it that way! Here[0] is a story about a group arguing (a bit successfully, I might add!) that "forcing" students to have the ability to at least pass algebra to get a college degree is a civil rights issue! [0] https://www.npr.org/2017/07/19/538092649/say-goodbye-to-x-y-...

Right because putting people in crippling debt when they fail out of college is going to improve civil rights.

Re: Record number of colleges drop SAT/ACT admissions requirement

#40

It's a cynical move to hit their enrollment numbers, sold to the public as something to improve "diversity". But it's really just laying the groundwork for schools to cope with life after the college boom is over. For elite schools, it also makes it easier to provide cover for legacy and donor admissions. You no longer have to explain how Keese James Shackleford IV got into the the Shackleford school of dkljalfjaf wh…

Not just enrollment, but also % of applicants accepted.

Why would a school want to increase their acceptance rate? Generally selectivity is seen as a proxy for "quality".
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