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Mark Hurd Has Died

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Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by hinkley »

VonGuard wrote: post #15

I feel really bad for Hurd and his family. Why work that hard? The 24/7 CEO lifestyle seems like such a waste of time if you end up working it to the day you die. Like, why work that hard? For the family you never see? The vacation home you can visit for 5 days a year? The yacht you leave parked 360 days a year? The job is so demanding and so hard it seems like Mark worked himself to death, literally. He probably cou…

I've had a couple of pretty good bosses over the years. I'm not sure what it says about me but I'm about 50:50 for managers versus developers among the group of people I'd list as mentors.

The good ones either could do, or at least verbalize how they wished their bosses would do, some pretty effective delegation by... well... leading.

There are ways to communicate the overall picture and the goals of a project so that people generally know what is expected of them, and feel empowered to go and tackle individual problems that lie in the way. Even if they don't act, it's no surprise to them when their performance review is bad because they knew what everyone was doing and they chose not to participate.

Nobody is being micromanaged, nobody is working on 'pointless' stuff. Everybody can and most people do step up.

There's a weird bit of human psychology that can be used cynically (as by con men and serial killers), but it doesn't have to be: If you trust people, they are inclined to trust you. I think that may be part of the dynamic that goes on in these situations. Here's my dream, I'm sharing it with you, let's go do it.

I wonder if we should be focusing a lot harder on communication skills and leadership training. Because if you can wind up that toy and walk away from it, do you really need to be working 70 hours a week? Or do you have people for that?

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by [deleted] »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #66
swagtricker wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? I read that as being incredibly demeaning to men.

Yes I’m sure. You’re implying that because the woman posed for Playboy she’s now “damaged goods” and less deserving of respect by society. A man dating one of these “low society women” should be looked down upon as well. If the roles were reversed, if Carly Fiorina started dating a backup dancer from Magic Mike XXL, should we judge her negatively for that?

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Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by magashna »

VonGuard wrote: post #15

I feel really bad for Hurd and his family. Why work that hard? The 24/7 CEO lifestyle seems like such a waste of time if you end up working it to the day you die. Like, why work that hard? For the family you never see? The vacation home you can visit for 5 days a year? The yacht you leave parked 360 days a year? The job is so demanding and so hard it seems like Mark worked himself to death, literally. He probably cou…

I had a very sweet boss who told me I'll be a CIO one day and I always told her I don't want to do that. Stress yourself to death for extra money? Why? Maybe if you're money or power hungry, but I'm pretty happy living a middle class comfortable life.

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by scurvy »

the-dude wrote: post #45
VonGuard wrote: post #15

I feel really bad for Hurd and his family. Why work that hard? The 24/7 CEO lifestyle seems like such a waste of time if you end up working it to the day you die. Like, why work that hard? For the family you never see? The vacation home you can visit for 5 days a year? The yacht you leave parked 360 days a year? The job is so demanding and so hard it seems like Mark worked himself to death, literally. He probably cou…

Everybody can die out of the blue, even in a matter of days. My dad did : he died out of the blue of acute leukemia, in a matter of days, at 63 yrs. edit: and, he was not a CEO, far from it.

Indeed. Detection for some conditions is very late,and once detected, not many treatment options exist.

Pancreatic cancer took my father's life at 73. Not much warning and not influenced by how much or little he worked.

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

mlyle wrote: post #57
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but her modeling for Playboy had no part in making the relationship consequential. It is a gratuitous detail.

It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy; Hurd was involved in her hiring for "events" and then immediately commences an irregular relationship with her, including her being paid for work at places where there is no HP event but Hurd happens to be. It makes it look a lot more deliberate, than if, say, she had a career as an event presenter and then some time a…

>It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy;

This seems to imply that hiring a woman who has posed for Playboy has a higher chance of being because of prurient purposes. This seems discriminatory.

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by mikeg8 »

_lbaq wrote: post #53
binarymax wrote: post #50

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Maybe he worked that hard, because he enjoyed working above all else? Maybe he died doing exactly what he loved?

Few old people looking back with perspective say that they worked to little...

Few old people become peak leaders in their respected field.

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by dinodub »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #44
luma wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His relationship with Fisher was not inconsequential: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-hurd-jodie-fisher-hp-20...

Agreed, but her modeling for Playboy had no part in making the relationship consequential. It is a gratuitous detail.

It's mainstream news outlet.

What were you expecting, exactly? And how do your expectations correspond to the reporting quality & character of said news outlet?

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Post by CydeWeys »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #75
mlyle wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy; Hurd was involved in her hiring for "events" and then immediately commences an irregular relationship with her, including her being paid for work at places where there is no HP event but Hurd happens to be. It makes it look a lot more deliberate, than if, say, she had a career as an event presenter and then some time a…

>It has been alleged that Hurd hired her in large part for prurient purposes. She posed for Playboy; This seems to imply that hiring a woman who has posed for Playboy has a higher chance of being because of prurient purposes. This seems discriminatory.

Discriminatory in what way?

It definitely has a higher chance of being for prurient purposes if she first came to his attention for her nude modeling! Let's be realistic here.

Re: Mark Hurd Has Died

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Post by rootusrootus »

VonGuard wrote: post #15

I feel really bad for Hurd and his family. Why work that hard? The 24/7 CEO lifestyle seems like such a waste of time if you end up working it to the day you die. Like, why work that hard? For the family you never see? The vacation home you can visit for 5 days a year? The yacht you leave parked 360 days a year? The job is so demanding and so hard it seems like Mark worked himself to death, literally. He probably cou…

Some people just really enjoy what they're doing. Friend of mine's dad is pushing 80 and he still puts in 90 hour weeks (he's a company owner, not a regular employee putting in that kind of time). Sounds like hell to me, but he'd be dead in a week if he quit. It's what he lives for. Hasn't been great for his relationship with his kids and ex-wife, but ... I guess it's what makes him tick.
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