I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
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#12Recently spent a couple of weeks in Barcelona. I love the culture there. The passion of the Catalan people is impressive.
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#13There won't be peace on Earth until people give up on the idea that they have the right to coerce other people into political relationships.
We (USA) fought a war over that. The "if we agreed to stay together then we have to stay together" side won.
The Civil War was not about some kind of ideal of decentralization and certainly was not about today's pining for city-states. It was mostly about slavery, with some esoteric political theory tacked on to the Confederate Constitution to save face.
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#14I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
Does it matter? If a locally grouped majority wants to seperate from a bigger structure they should be allowed to, everything else is evil.
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#15I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
I have to disagree with the Scotland example.
Scotland's movement can't be called a separatist movement (independence is a better term, but still not great). Scotland is a distinct country within the United Kingdom. It would be more of a withdrawal movement (similar to the UK withdrawing from the EU).
A major political issue in Scotland at the moment (especially in Edinburgh) is Brexit. The majority of Scottish residents voted to remain in the EU, which reignited a movement to leave the UK. I would call this a "real present day issue" and not just "historical grievance and ego".
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#16It seems to have a central point of failure.
Not really uncensorable after all.
And not even open sourced.
If the government takes over the admins many people will be in trouble.
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#17I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
It's basically high unemployment among the youth and a new economic crisis looming ahead. The whole issue here is jailing the separatist leaders, which was a very dumb thing to do. I haven't heard much from the basque movement since the 80s when they engaged in terrorist activities. Also expect Irish nationalists to re-emerge in Northern Ireland after Brexit. They already killed a journalist. Scotland will probably have another referendum.
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#18There won't be peace on Earth until people give up on the idea that they have the right to coerce other people into political relationships.
We (USA) fought a war over that. The "if we agreed to stay together then we have to stay together" side won.
If it was about that, they would have made a case for secession before Congress prior to attacking Fort Sumter. Surely the right of revolution should only be invoked after at least making an effort at a compromise before attacking.
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#19I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
Does it matter? If a locally grouped majority wants to seperate from a bigger structure they should be allowed to, everything else is evil.
What majority? In Catalonia less than 50% of people want independence. It just so happens that the minority is louder.
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#20I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.
I have to disagree with the Scotland example. Scotland's movement can't be called a separatist movement (independence is a better term, but still not great). Scotland is a distinct country within the United Kingdom. It would be more of a withdrawal movement (similar to the UK withdrawing from the EU). A major political issue in Scotland at the moment (especially in Edinburgh) is Brexit. The majority of Scottish resid…
>The majority of Scottish residents voted to remain in the EU, which sparked a movement to leave the UK.
Is that why there was an independence referendum the year before the Brexit vote?