Bazel 1.0

#1

Post by vips7L » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 2:37 AM UTC

Bazel 1.0
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Re: Bazel 1.0

#2

Post by 1propionyl » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:04 AM UTC

Because I have a twisted fascination with controversy and tribalism on HN, here's a little red meat:

I'm going to stick with using make to glue together whatever tools I need for my build and test processes.

Edit: -5 in under 10m. And yet I didn't even say anything remotely controversial or normative. Fantastic.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#3

Post by krapht » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:10 AM UTC

Is it worth giving up language-specific build tools (CMake, Maven, Gradle and others) for one build tool to rule them all?

Re: Bazel 1.0

#4

Post by vore » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:16 AM UTC

1propionyl wrote: post #2

Because I have a twisted fascination with controversy and tribalism on HN, here's a little red meat: I'm going to stick with using make to glue together whatever tools I need for my build and test processes. Edit: -5 in under 10m. And yet I didn't even say anything remotely controversial or normative. Fantastic.

Maybe it's because your stated goal is baiting a flamewar in bad faith.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#5

Post by taneq » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:17 AM UTC

1propionyl wrote: post #2

Because I have a twisted fascination with controversy and tribalism on HN, here's a little red meat: I'm going to stick with using make to glue together whatever tools I need for my build and test processes. Edit: -5 in under 10m. And yet I didn't even say anything remotely controversial or normative. Fantastic.

It's probably because you came off as a bit unhinged and opened with a salvo against HN (which many people here understandably like).

If you'd phrased it as "meh, I like make" you'd probably have half a dozen upvotes from the minimalists.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#6

Post by taneq » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:18 AM UTC

Problem: There are N confusing build systems with arcane rules and you just want to compile your program.

Solution: Design a simple, straightforward build tool.

Problem: There are N+1 confusing build systems with arcane rules.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#7

Post by new_realist » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:21 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #6

Problem: There are N confusing build systems with arcane rules and you just want to compile your program. Solution: Design a simple, straightforward build tool. Problem: There are N+1 confusing build systems with arcane rules.

I wouldn’t call Bazel confusing or arcane, but it is powerful. I find it rather delightful to use.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#8

Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:23 AM UTC

I only wish Bazel had been written in a language that produced native binaries like C++ or Go instead of Java. It seems like a waste for me as a non-Java developer to install Java on my dev machine just for Bazel.

Re: Bazel 1.0

#9

Post by fizwhiz » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:23 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #6

Problem: There are N confusing build systems with arcane rules and you just want to compile your program. Solution: Design a simple, straightforward build tool. Problem: There are N+1 confusing build systems with arcane rules.

obligatory: https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Bazel 1.0

#10

Post by klodolph » Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:24 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #6

Problem: There are N confusing build systems with arcane rules and you just want to compile your program. Solution: Design a simple, straightforward build tool. Problem: There are N+1 confusing build systems with arcane rules.

I’m getting a little tired of this particular brand of lazy cynicism.

I’m happy to see people inventing new build systems, programming languages, game engines, ORMs, or anything else where the conventional wisdom is to use the existing tools. It may be crazy optimistic but we need people to keep these skill sets alive.