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Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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I wonder how much of CIA spycraft has been made obsolete because of social media? In the past finding out who someone's family, friends, interests, political leanings, where they travel, and skills might involve sending a human to secretly follow them around. Now you can just see who their family and friends on Facebook are, look at their daugther's Instagram page to see where the family has traveled, see their comme…

CIA agents are trained to be perfectly just like "one of us" leading apparently normal lives. There are most likely CIA agents among us here on Hacker News... functioning as technology executives, sales people, engineers, developers, etc

>technology executives

I've always wondered what the upper limit for this is. How high up on the social/wealth ladder do you have to go for there to essentially be no chance that the person is an intelligence officer?

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#112

>and how to commit suicide. And that's when I'd come to my senses, realize all the sweet talk they lured me in with was rubbish, and hand in my 2 second resignation notice, if an employer is going to train me on how to end my own life I'm out.

heh you were downvoted for that. Apparently someone approves of * An employer training their employees to kill themselves. * A line of work where employees may have to kill themselves. * Dying for the US government (more like actually the interests of the elites) and the "greater good". How is that different from the indoctrination of suicide bombers? Before someone retorts with "because they kill innocent civilians"…

I don't particularly approve of anything the CIA does. I downvoted because it's pretty silly to imagine that anyone could get all the way to CIA field agent training without already knowing that the job can be gruesomely dangerous.

Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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My fiance worked for a movie theater in the DC area for a while. Once she found, left on the floor, a packet for an Afghanistan diplomat program put on by the US State department. Big itinerary with lots of names, dates, contact information, not just for the various stops and talks but for the people selected for the program. Nothing classified or obviously sensitive, but I'm sure someone with the interest could run…

That was a drop waiting to be picked up

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Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

#114

I wonder how much of CIA spycraft has been made obsolete because of social media? In the past finding out who someone's family, friends, interests, political leanings, where they travel, and skills might involve sending a human to secretly follow them around. Now you can just see who their family and friends on Facebook are, look at their daugther's Instagram page to see where the family has traveled, see their comme…

CIA agents are trained to be perfectly just like "one of us" leading apparently normal lives. There are most likely CIA agents among us here on Hacker News... functioning as technology executives, sales people, engineers, developers, etc

Gilman Louie says hi ;) .

Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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to "the Farm," a secret CIA facility in Virginia where their grueling training included all the obligatory skills of what Fox refers to as "the Bond business": how to flip or crash a car; how to use a Glock; how to parachute; how to use a speedboat; how to withstand torture; how to use a grocery bag and duct tape to bandage a punctured chest; and how to commit suicide This is over-egging the pudding a bit.

You'd think the "commit suicide" lesson would just be "perform any of the prior taught skills not well enough."

not your own suicide

Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

#116

I wonder if they give a class in juggalo paint at the farm, and other means of bypassing facial recognition programs. The tenure of a field operative these days must be incredibly short

Facial recognition countermeasures can be considered in some ways obsolete in an era of stance and gait recognition.

At last the Ministry of Silly Walks shows its value to the wider bureaucracy.

Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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Also true for the Caltrain, coffee shops, and nicer restaurants between SF and SJ. And SFO, SJC, and SEA airports; I think I hear some salesman loudly talking about a deal almost every time I fly out of those places on weekdays.

Fun fact: Using knowledge gained in this way isn't insider trading[1]. Conceivably a person could even sell tips based on information heard in public places to traders. During the golden age of Wall Street, this was extremely common. Traders or their lackeys would visit businesses (or the bars near them) and pump employees for info. [1] Not a lawyer, not legal advice.

generally speaking it seems like it is insider trading in Europe and is not in the US.

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It is, but people are terrible about it anyway. At a minimum, it is a field day for social engineering attacks because you can learn to speak in the languages / abstractions of that specific organization which automatically leads to trust-building.

can confirm that defense people are terrible about spilling a lot of details in public, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard an actual classified piece of info spoken in public

How would you know if the information you heard was classified or not ?

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#119

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Crowdsource. Pay people to run an app when they go around DC, that records constantly from their mic, and uploads it to the cloud along with their location. I’m sure someone has already thought of this!

La Liga: > The Spanish football league La Liga has admitted that its official smartphone app has been making audio recordings in order to identify pirate broadcasts of football games. > The league said its app detected the location of users, and if they were found to be in a bar, it then recorded audio clips using phone microphones. > The app used an algorithm to identify whether the person was watching a football ga…

wow, that's crazy. I know big soccer clubs are huge about keeping secrets too. Down to what their players are eating/fed/ .

Re: Eat, Drink and Be Wary: Ex-CIA Officer Reveals How Eateries Are Key to Spycraft

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CIA agents are trained to be perfectly just like "one of us" leading apparently normal lives. There are most likely CIA agents among us here on Hacker News... functioning as technology executives, sales people, engineers, developers, etc

> technology executives I've always wondered what the upper limit for this is. How high up on the social/wealth ladder do you have to go for there to essentially be no chance that the person is an intelligence officer?

Valid. Why work for a gov pension when your stock bonus is 7+ figures a year.
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