Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by lonelappde » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #111

Smithalicious wrote: post #98

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God I hate the word bi-weekly; if you hadn't specified 14 days I would've thought it was twice a week. "bi-weekly" is never the right word to use because you always have to add additional information that makes it redundant.

Biweekly is twice per week just like biannually is twice per anum. Fortnightly and biennially are 'every other'.

That's wrong in multiple ways. Fortnightly is 14, and bi is ambiguous because English has weak grammatical structure inside words.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by lonelappde » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

joecool1029 wrote: post #83

tdfx wrote: post #68

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I think anyone who is not familiar with these particular communities in Lakewood and Brooklyn will see warning flags of anti-semitism in a lot of related comments about them. I would just like to voice some support for the people speaking up about them, because this is not a problem with Jews, or even Orthodox Jews. It is specific to these particular Hasidic communities and the fraud is rampant and expanding.

Thanks, I believe it's really important to call out and charge the leadership inside these communities. They know full well what is and isn't legal. If you shut down discussion on these sorts of issues, I believe you allow for abuses to happen and rage to grow against the larger community who are often innocent. As others have mentioned, the Hasidic community is an insular community. I have interacted numerous times…

How are they different from the Amish on this sense? I think you may have let some anti Semitism slip in there. Amish communities have their own problems, like running puppy mills.

BTW, why did you say "child abuse" and not "child rape"?

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by lonelappde » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

joelbluminator wrote: post #152

logjammin wrote: post #123

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Not to mention child sexual abuse scandals in these communities in the NYC area. Edit: hadn't seen an earlier poster's comment on this, my bad. Edit 2: it's worth mentioning that the fraud/welfare issue is a massive political hot-button topic in Israel: many Israelis resent having to pay taxes to support hasidim who in many cases don't contribute to society: they don't serve in the army, they don't work, they don't g…

In Israel the orthodox are 12% and growing rapidly, in 30 years they will constitute about 30% of Israeli Jews. In the u.s they are tiny and insignificant. Like the Amish.

Both of you are conflating Hasidic with Orthodox.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by notfromhere » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 3:10 PM UTC

defterGoose wrote: post #87

searine wrote: post #17

Considering how prevalent state-provided aid is among ultra-conservative sects like this, it is good to see a viable career path for them.

Kinda funny how antithetical that is to tradional conservative values regarding entitlements.

A lot of culturally conservative cultures lean left on economic issues. The first country to roll out a universal healthcare system was Imperial Germany under Bismarck.

Conservatism in the U.S. is pretty anti-social in that regard, which isn't true everywhere, as in other countries it wasn't co-opted by "free market" types

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by defterGoose » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 PM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #153

defterGoose wrote: post #151

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I'm really not though. I'm aware that 'conservative' has specific religious connotations, but on the Venn diagram with political conservatism, there's a lot of overlap. Trump won many predominantly Jewish districts in the last election.

Nonetheless the values of receiving and giving charity are more common in the community in question than your comment about conservative values, because conservative doesn't mean "trump supporter" or "same values as Republican party". So aware or not your previous comment was wrong in every way because you cannot or will not separate different meanings of "conservative". You smeared all with one brush and your subseq…

Everyone makes generalizations, it's one of the ways we communicate without needing to get overly academic about everything. I would also note that your tone exudes a high level of bias. If, as TFA states, there are a lot of very poor people in these communities, then that underlies your statement that charity is common among Hasidim.

It is an interesting fact that (disclaimer, generalizations follow) a community that tends to take charity from the government also tends to vote for a candidate like Donald Trump.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by ryanlol » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 7:31 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #156

ryanlol wrote: post #147

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>Is there any way to set it up in Amazon (or ebay, too) so that their fulfillment never uses a certain delivery brand? Amazon support was able to do this for me. They also CC:d me on a really strongly worded email to the delivery company, which I found really surprising. This was one of the euro amazons with european support staff.

Did it actually work? Did they actually stop using that delivery company for your packages (and is the company common enough for this to not be random chance)?

Yes, and yes. I probably get closer to 1000 deliveries annually.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by OJFord » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 8:25 PM UTC

toasterlovin wrote: post #158

benj111 wrote: post #150

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"why does the word semi-annual exist" Your parent already provided the counterpoint, Biennially. Additionally I'm not convinced by your bicycle => 2 => bi annual logic. You could equally argue it leads to 2 times a year, because it doesn't happen a half every year just like a bike doesn't have half a wheel.

Mostly I'm just arguing that it's ambiguous. I don't have a strong opinion, but the person I was responding to did and it seems like a silly thing to be so adamant about.

I'm 'so adamant' about what they mean only in the same sense that I am about any other word I know the meaning of, I only meant to be helpful.

For your bicycle example that I didn't reply to initially - I don't see what it breaks? Unicycles have one and tricycles three wheels. If i give you a wheel triweekly you have three by the end of the week and can build a tricycle.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by OJFord » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 8:27 PM UTC

lonelappde wrote: post #161

OJFord wrote: post #111

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Biweekly is twice per week just like biannually is twice per anum. Fortnightly and biennially are 'every other'.

That's wrong in multiple ways. Fortnightly is 14, and bi is ambiguous because English has weak grammatical structure inside words.

Yes, 14 days (nights), which is - as I phrased it - every other week.

I didn't claim any strong grammatical structure of 'bi', just consistency between biweekly and biannually, and that 'once per two weeks' was the meaning of a different word, as is 'once per two years'.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by toasterlovin » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #167

toasterlovin wrote: post #158

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Mostly I'm just arguing that it's ambiguous. I don't have a strong opinion, but the person I was responding to did and it seems like a silly thing to be so adamant about.

I'm 'so adamant' about what they mean only in the same sense that I am about any other word I know the meaning of, I only meant to be helpful. For your bicycle example that I didn't reply to initially - I don't see what it breaks? Unicycles have one and tricycles three wheels. If i give you a wheel triweekly you have three by the end of the week and can build a tricycle.

FWIW, regarding correct usage: the dictionary on my computer (Oxford American English) lists both meanings of biweekly and does not put either meaning forward as more correct. It even has a whole entry on the ambiguity of the 'bi' prefix.

Re: Amazon Has Transformed the Hasidic Economy

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Post by benj111 » Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 9:05 PM UTC

toasterlovin wrote: post #169

OJFord wrote: post #167

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I'm 'so adamant' about what they mean only in the same sense that I am about any other word I know the meaning of, I only meant to be helpful. For your bicycle example that I didn't reply to initially - I don't see what it breaks? Unicycles have one and tricycles three wheels. If i give you a wheel triweekly you have three by the end of the week and can build a tricycle.

FWIW, regarding correct usage: the dictionary on my computer (Oxford American English) lists both meanings of biweekly and does not put either meaning forward as more correct. It even has a whole entry on the ambiguity of the 'bi' prefix.

I can confirm that the proper OED has the same definition.

"Bi- 2a occurring twice in every one or once in every two (biweekly)"

Biannual is only defined as occurring twice a year though.

So, inflammable.