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Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #115

I was a huge Google Fan but this is becoming lunacy. I understood trading some data and privacy for great search results, maps and free quality email. But people willingly bringing always on listening devices in to their homes (beyond what smartphones are already capable of) I just can't comprehend it. Why would people voluntarily do this in exchange for being able to ask for weather, play a playlist, add a todo and…

> people willingly bringing always on listening devices in to their homes I just can't comprehend it.

The reason is "people" lack education in technology. They can barely use a computer these days, with "using a computer" generally means being on Facebook with a browser.

There's a very significant divide in this regard that has been growing for decades. And it isn't getting any better. This is why it is nearly impossible to convince people you know to use better passwords and adopt security and privacy-conscious behaviors. I don't know if you (plural) have experienced this, I know a few people for whom sending a link via email is a challenge. They think they sent you a link and what you get is unusable. No, it isn't about age at all.

Smart phones and tablets have changed the relationship people have with computers. They make things very easy to use and require almost no technological knowledge to operate. In computers, the browser or Chromebooks do the same.

Add it all up and the idea that someone does not even remotely think that a thermostat could be recording every word being said in home doesn't even cross their minds. Going beyond that, thinking about how and where that data is stored and how it could be used it yet another level.

All this says it is the responsibility of the tech community to make sure customers understand the important aspects of the technology we provide.

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I have the original Nest thermostat. I think I’m going to rip it off the wall and replace it with something that isn’t front a scumbag company.

This is exactly why I don’t own google phones, assistance, or home automation products. YOU ARE THE PRODUCT!

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post #12

>"Gosh, I haven't thought about this before in quite this way," Osterloh said. "It's quite important for all these technologies to think about all users... we have to consider all stakeholders that might be in proximity." How much do they not care about privacy that a chief exec with an army of lawyers and advisors "haven't thought about this before"?

All "big tech" are at it, I tried to go to "My Pictures" the other day and microsoft asked me to run my pictures through facial recognition. They said that by consenting I was asserting I had the consent of anyone who appeared in any of my photos or might appear in future which is insane to ask of anyone, no-one can really give that third party consent. Then when I refused they showed me a nag screen which didn't hav…

Up until recently I couldn't actually do much with google maps on my phone because I have restricted it from using microphone. An error would pop up on every simple address lookup

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you carving out Android instead of all smartphones? Also, you can turn off OK google in Android, although they don't make it as easy as they should.

I assume you ask that because you are aware that any device with the capabilities of a smartphone can be made into a powerful surveillance device by whoever the entity is that has control over it. I see variations of that argument very often. Its essence goes like this: A: This is a proven threat. B: But so could be this and that. A: Right, could be. B: But we can't get rid of them all, so let's just do nothing. Here…

I would agree with the open hard-/software point, but that does not at all answer why you are purposely not mentioning the second most popular phone OS.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #44

I think a device with a camera/microphone should have a physical on/off button and a LED which indicates when it's on. At least, that's how I would design it.

I'm sure any 0-day capable of eavesdropping on your phone can also disable the LED.

I'm sure that is why any device which includes such an LED insists on it being hardware not software. Even a magical 0-day is not going to break the laws of physics.

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I have an ordinary thermostat that doesn't need firmware, an internet connection, or to eavesdrop on my conversations. It works great! What exactly is the advantage here?

Automatically turning HVAC systems on and off depending if the place is empty, turning it back on remotely, cycling the fan on and off to circulate air more often, removing excess humidity, using data about sunlight to adjust temps. There must be energy savings for the utility companies to give them out for free or almost free. Although I prefer the HomeKit thermostats since I presume Apple has better privacy control…

Don't know about other parts of the country, but where I'm at (low 80s @night, mid 90s @day), that's all false economy.

Turning it down while away for a few hours just means a struggle to get the temps back down when I return. And in places where summer is less hateful, best option is to turn it off altogether and open the windows.

To a utility company, just shaving a percent or two off consumption is a slam-dunk. Not so much out of eco-friendlyness as fear of having to add more capacity. Personally, I will gladly pay another percent or two on my power bill to not have any more SV awfulness in my house than necessary.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #100

FWIW, I'm living a Google-free live now, and it works very well: - DuckDuckGo as default search engine - Own domain for email, forwarded to Apple's mail - Apple map, Yandex map, Waze, Here WeGo for maps (depending on the country) - For videos, I search them in DDG with " !yt", then copy the links I want and download them with `youtube-dl` - Firefox and Safari - Zoho as a replacement for online docs and spreadsheets e…

What do you do about websites that use reCaptcha?

good point... browse in private mode by default, and with a VPN (which by the way means that I solve a lot of captchas :-/ )
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