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Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

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Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

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If you don't want to be rehabilitated, you will not be rehabilitated.

You have to at least try before coming to that conclusion.

Definitely. I'm by no means saying "Do nothing, let them die." But I'm also saying "We have to rehabilitate them" is not a good enough idea either - you can't make people want help.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#52

The article says 1,000 - 2,000 homeless in Boise, but at 2,000, a little quick MATH shows that Boise's homelessness rate may be a tad higher than LA's: Boise: 2,000 homeless in population of 227,000 = 1:113 LA: 36,000 homeless in population of 4,000,000 = 1:111 Given the difference in annual weather, it's not clear that Boise policy is effective in reducing homelessness.

> Given the difference in annual weather, it's not clear that Boise policy is effective in reducing homelessness.

They might winter in Portland or even LA.

Spokane is another city in that area with a huge homeless problem, and perhaps even harsher weather (Boise is at least high desert). Though housing can be super cheap, my granddad used to run what we thought became basically a flop house that we nicked named the Empty Arms.

SLC seems to have focused more on housing the homeless, but even then I think in recent years they’ve found that their success has mainly just led to a larger problem.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#53
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One thing that I have never understood about this discussion is why it always seems to avoid the following question: What about people who want to be homeless? Why have we built a society in which anybody who doesn't accept the lifestyle of sleeping in a static, hardened structure, and working to pay rent or a mortgage so as to have the right to do so, is diagnosed with some kind of illness? Isn't it quite clear that…

> What about people who want to be homeless?

I think you overestimate the number of homeless by choice vs homeless by circumstance. You also are sort of marginalizing the homeless who need help by painting them as happily homeless. Very naive take on the situation.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#54

It's an exhausting problem. I live in Portland, which is just another west coast city having increasing trouble with a rising homeless population. On one hand yes, they're people and they deserve help and support and appropriate housing and access to rehab and structure. But on the other hand, if you buy a house in Portland there's very little you can do to prevent your front sidewalk from getting turned into a homel…

I have heard the hundreds of dirty needles sentiment from people but have never encountered a neighborhood in LA where there are hundreds of dirty needles on the ground. Is there any photos of this phenomenon online you could point me to or is this mostly hyperbole?

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#55
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Brutal article. They're trying to conduct a violent purge/exile of homeless while dressing it up as caring about them. Give them houses wtf

This is not as much a housing issue as it is a mental health and substance abuse issue. See https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-07/homeless...

Mental health and substance abuse issues don't spontaneously emerge on their own. Lack of money, housing, personal life, etc. are huge contributing causes.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#56

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And women and children being able to walk the streets without being harassed is another -- as you might write "(perceived)" -- incentive.

Unless, of course, those women and children are homeless.

No. If there are children in any of these encampments, I would say that they need to especially be broken up. Homelessness in modern America is to a great degree elective. People need to be harassed off the streets and into shelters for their own welfare -- especially children -- or involuntarily committed.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#57

It's an exhausting problem. I live in Portland, which is just another west coast city having increasing trouble with a rising homeless population. On one hand yes, they're people and they deserve help and support and appropriate housing and access to rehab and structure. But on the other hand, if you buy a house in Portland there's very little you can do to prevent your front sidewalk from getting turned into a homel…

I have heard the hundreds of dirty needles sentiment from people but have never encountered a neighborhood in LA where there are hundreds of dirty needles on the ground. Is there any photos of this phenomenon online you could point me to or is this mostly hyperbole?

Caps are way more common, but every monday morning the front stoop at my old office would have a handful of used needles on it. I suppose the hyperbole would be implying "hundreds" of dirty needles all in one place. When I walk to work, I see many, but rarely are there more than 2-3 in one spot.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

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post #23

One thing that I have never understood about this discussion is why it always seems to avoid the following question: What about people who want to be homeless? Why have we built a society in which anybody who doesn't accept the lifestyle of sleeping in a static, hardened structure, and working to pay rent or a mortgage so as to have the right to do so, is diagnosed with some kind of illness? Isn't it quite clear that…

Because people like you are incredibly uncommon. I do not believe at all that there are millions of people like that in the US.

I don't know about millions, but I have firsthand experience and no one would know just by meeting someone like this that they had no fixed place of residence.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

#59
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In the article, Boise is challenging a court ruling that cities cannot ticket or arrest the homeless if there are no shelter beds available. This begs the question how ticketing/arresting clears the streets? By shoving them elsewhere for another city to ticket? Or housing them in jail (at a much higher expense)? Later in the article it does mention that LA (correction from Boise) is also voiding millions of citations…

LA is the city that's voiding the citations.

Re: Boise is why L.A. can’t legally clear its streets of homeless encampments

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Tell doctors to stop prescribing heroine.

And the military to stop destroying young men and then sending them out onto the streets with no useful support.

This was mostly during the vietnam era the government has been better about that but doctors freely prescribing drugs that destroy lives is a much bigger issue. Pooling data from 2002 to 2012, the incidence of heroin initiation was 19 times higher among those who reported prior nonmedical pain reliever use than among those who did not. A survey by the United States Conference of Mayors found that 68 percent of cities reported that substance abuse was the largest cause of homelessness for single adults. Substance abuse was also reported as one of the top three causes of family homelessness by 12 percent of cities.

In fact in seattle, King County, sued PURDUE PHARMA, L.P.; PURDUE PHARMA, INC.; THE PURDUE FREDERICK COMPANY, INC.; ENDO HEALTH SOLUTIONS INC.; ENDO PHARMACEUTICALS, INC.; JANSSEN PHARMACEUTICALS, INC.; JOHNSON & JOHNSON; SEATTLE PAIN CENTER MEDICAL CORPORATION d/b/a SEATTLE PAIN CENTER; FRANK D. LI; SALES REPRESENTATIVES JOHN.

This is where it starts, as much as it would be great to turn this into a debate about the US military these pharmaceutical companies and Holy Prestigious Doctors are far and away the major cause of these issues.

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