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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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> I don't understand what Google is thinking about when they banned donations. They're thinking that they're a monopoly and can do whatever the hell they want without needing to justify themselves?

hazarding a guess, i’m assuming people tried using off-platform payments described as donations to sidestep play store payments

Yes. This is what I suspect. But knocking out all donations using a big ban hammer is not acceptable here, it should be decided on a case-by-case basis. For example, a standard I can think of, is distinguishing donations and payments that influence the functionality of the application/service, and those that have no effect.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Don't conflate Apple's monopoly with Google's store. Anyone can go install F-Droid or Amazon or whatever on their Android phone. The only thing stopping people is satisfaction with the status quo and/or ignorance. However, Apple totally rules their walled garden, with some added gross exploitation to boot (recent "Sherlocking" story for Luna Display).

>Anyone can go install F-Droid or Amazon or whatever on their Android phone. F-Droid/Amazon/whatever can't automatically update installed apps unless the phone is rooted. It's not an even playing field - Google has a de facto monopoly on Android.

> unless the phone is rooted.

That's absolutely not true at all.

All that happens is that, the first time you try to install from such an application (or any other application other than your store, eg: the first time you try to install an apk after you download it from your browser), a settings windows appears telling you this application can't install more applications on your phone until you give it permissions. From there giving the permission is a two click matter, and you don't need to look for it the link is given. See the exemple 2 pictures (and that's the only two steps - note that the "settings" button in the first takes you directly to the second picture, aka straight to the right settings page for the correct application, no looking around needed): https://imgur.com/a/Vafqyic

Then you press back one time after giving the permission, which is the normal way to go back to what you were doing on android, and it works at expected, aka it goes back to the install screen except this time it enables the install button.

Any porn site like youporn and pornhub, or epic with fortnite, etc ... Do it this way with no major issue, because the messages are super clear, and where to click to allow it is super clear, no need to look for it.

If anything, this is almost too easy and I'm surprised there is not a bigger spread of malware through browsers using that, and I would be for it asking you to confirm your password before enabling that permission.

EDIT: it appears I missed that parent was talking about UPDATING apps, not installing.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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For anyone else publishing mobile apps: Neither Apple nor Google allow bypassing the store's purchase system by linking to external donation pages. No matter the app type, it will result in rejection.

They both say they allow it, but don't.

Both are lying to you and everyone else. They instead demand their private tax while lying to you about it beforehand.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Google (Or Apple) is pretty serious regarding their app stores rules and regulations. Google owns the app store. So, developers should abide rules imposed by Google although the rules do not seem reasonable all the time. My suggestion is, developer can still implement in-app billing, removing "donation" wording. For the in-app item, make it as good-to-have feature like "unlocking additional app color theme". With suc…

> Here are some examples of products not currently supported by Google Play In-app Billing:

> One time-payments, including peer-to-peer payments, online auctions, and donations.

Source: https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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All Google phones and Android One devices have unlockable bootloaders.

Rooting the Pixel 2 (I haven't tried the other Pixels) is not trivial for the average user, it still involves downloading third-party software and doing stuff on the command line. I had hoped that the pure-Google devices would have just had a switch: "I am now root," but alas it wasn't to be.

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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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The Apple/Play stores are essentially a totally broken implementation of something that had existed for over a decade before: package repositories. It's embraced and extended Linux/BSD package/ports trees, except without things like the ability to add a 3rd party repository with other authors signing keys, pin certain versions, etc. https://battlepenguin.com/tech/android-fragmentation/#packag... We could go on about…

For a brief moment in time, there was an alternative in mobile space having best of the both worlds. Back then Nokia was still a thing, Meego/Maemo OSes on some -very few- Nokia devices had apt & rpm. Nokia repository would be there by default, and you could easily go and add any package repository through their UI. Just like good ol' Linux package managers, because it was one. In fact this capability even enabled th…

WTF Europe is waiting for ?? We have to resurrect Meego/Maemo!

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Can we just stop distributing "donation-ware" FOSS and use F-Droid for that instead? It is not as if Google Play Store is a credible source anyway given all the hostile content (for both privacy and security). Today I learned they even remove the orig. signature [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21268717

Why? Google Play Store has a much larger audience and so the apps will be seen by many more people. Many people use Android and they also should be able to use FOSS apps, regardless of the platform’s privacy and security issues. Is there a reason to not join the Play Store besides something philosophical?

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Uh, what are you talking about? Phoning home with your data (mainly phonebook and location data) is exactly what a lot of apps are doing. Sure, they wont do crypto mining, but that's because it would drain your battery quickly, and people would notice and uninstall.

As I said, it can happen but I'd assume it's done a lot less than on the "open" internet where there's no repercussions. At least in the App Store the developer would get thrown out, people would post it in the reviews or report to the App Store moderators. Isn't the whole point of sandboxing and the permission systems exactly preventing phonebook and location data misuse? Especially location tracking prevention was…

The permission system does work and is a great achievement. Along with battery monitor and the ability to easily and cleanly uninstall any app.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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I like the way that the author of Simple Mobile Tools [0] made donations. Applications are free and open source, but there is a paid app Simple Thank You [1]. That's also how I was thinking about doing "donationware" on a mobile app store. Side note: They are also available on F-Droid. [0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/cluster?clp=ig... [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplemobi.…

Yes, this is quite a good workaround, though probably less lucrative.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplemobi...

Has more than 100K downloads. i.e made at least 100K after Google cut.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Really? It's basically impossible to distribute apps for iOS outside the AppStore and very difficult (all security, warranty warnings, settings, etc.) to distribute them outside the PlayStore.

Thankfully so. Apple keeps the App Store pretty clean, legacy apps, that are not maintained enough don't make it to the next iOS release and their capability system means I don't have to trust third party apps with anything. Of course, there are cases that essentially suffer from this, but for me as a user, I've got to say I'm pretty satisfied.

Yes, by using Apple you knew what you were getting into, however we're still butthurt from the Android bait and switch...
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