The Apple/Play stores are essentially a totally broken implementation of something that had existed for over a decade before: package repositories. It's embraced and extended Linux/BSD package/ports trees, except without things like the ability to add a 3rd party repository with other authors signing keys, pin certain versions, etc. https://battlepenguin.com/tech/android-fragmentation/#packag... We could go on about…
Don't conflate Apple's monopoly with Google's store. Anyone can go install F-Droid or Amazon or whatever on their Android phone. The only thing stopping people is satisfaction with the status quo and/or ignorance. However, Apple totally rules their walled garden, with some added gross exploitation to boot (recent "Sherlocking" story for Luna Display).
Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that considers end-users as pretty much dumb content consumers who should not be expected to ever know even the minimum about the underlying tech and therefore every decision needs to be made for them by a small minority of corporations, govts, and the tech elite acting as gatekeepers and overseers. That's what we do in every other domains, what's the difference here ?
The domain is information not technology. We need to drop the attitude that technology is a new scary thing it's not. Technology is an extension of our selves we have been using it for thousands of years to expand our ability. Pen and paper was the old technology if you don't know how to use it you are illiterate, if you don't know how to use the new technology you are still just illiterate. The baby boomer attitude…
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
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Gifts are trivially tax free in the UK excepting cases of Inheritance Tax whereby someone pretends to 'gift' an inheritance before dying instead of having it taxed normally. It would surprise me if that were not true globally. A donation is definitionally a gift. If it's not due to some legal wankery, rename it, doesn't matter.
You can't just freely receive donations and not pay any tax. There is definitely an argument that you are donating to ensure future development of the software, essentially quid pro quo. Edit: Wireguard literally make that case while soliciting donations >We're extremely grateful for all donations, which enable us to continue developing WireGuard as free open source software. We are happy to receive donations from in…
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't conflate Apple's monopoly with Google's store. Anyone can go install F-Droid or Amazon or whatever on their Android phone. The only thing stopping people is satisfaction with the status quo and/or ignorance. However, Apple totally rules their walled garden, with some added gross exploitation to boot (recent "Sherlocking" story for Luna Display).
This is one aspect and admittedly Android is better than Apple, but the other aspect (and more fundamental) is the ability to gain root on the system and do whatever you wish, and here both Google and Android (in the former case if not Google themselves then all the 3rd party Android vendors) lock down their devices. Rooting through exploits is not an acceptable solution.
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#185The problem of donation links from Google's perspective is that they are not getting their 30% cut. You might think that this is unfair, but the app is using their distribution platform. It's possible to make open source applications and still ask for payment on Google Play, either as the asking price, subscription or by adding in-app payments for donations. This is the right way to do it, and will probably also have…
I can even go along your last point. But it's a different argument to say "going through google is more efficient" or to say "you can't not go through google". Frankly, they're using their market dominant position to force free developers into a distribution model that serves them as the payment processor. I'd not go so far as to argue those are separate businesses, but it's really a blatant abuse of their power. Arg…
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
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What you're asking for is technology literacy, similar to science literacy. Adults generally don't care to learn this stuff. But you can teach the next generation.
Yes, and the tech industry is already several decades old and multiple generations have come and gone, but today's tech consumers seem to be even less confident of poking behind the surface than those of the yesteryears. And do note that there was a point in history when even basic literacy belonged to a small few who argued in exactly the same manner than tech people do today, i.e., that most people will never be ab…
I disagree on this. I have a friend who has "basic computer literacy" as in knows how to use MS Excel, KeePass, etc. And yet, she inadvertently got a virus on her laptop. It was puzzling how she could have gotten it. She doesn't visit the usual suspects of porn/gaming/gambling/etc websites. Just normal stuff like CNN, WSJ, etc. The only reason we found out about it was her email account got locked out by the ISP. Apparently, the malware found her MS Outlook email account and used a hidden background service to send a bunch of spam messages using her email profile. Understandably, the ISP monitors SMTP traffic sent from residential addresses and when it hits an unusual threshold, they lock out the account. To clean up the malware, I reformatted her laptop and got the email reset with a new password.
On the other hand, with her Apple iPhone and the locked-down walled garden, I really don't have to worry about malware to the same degree. Yes, the Apple app review process is not infallible and theoretically, she could get infected by downloading a fake bank app that steals all her money. However, the possibilities for that nightmare scenario are drastically reduced in the closed Apple ecosystem.
Even programmers, who we'd classify has uber-computer-literate compared to the general population can unwittingly get bit by malware:
Javascript programmers vulnerable to NPM package repository malware: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/12/npm_eslint/
Microsoft's uber geek expert Mark Russinovich got infected by Sony's rootkit: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/markrussinovich/2005/10/...
What's the solution for those programmers? Educate them on how to use computers? But they're already educated.
Yes, I get the hacker ethos of not having locked-down devices but we also overestimate the ability for the general population to maintain safe computing devices. Heck, I'm a techie that programs in Xcode and I'm not confident I'm really literate on all the vulnerabilities of the iPhone. Thus, it seems unreasonable I would expect non-programmers to "just be educated" to make the App Store's curation unnecessary.
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Donations through the Play store's payment platform are prohibited, since all purchases need to give an additional value in return. The only reliable way to get donations in a compliant way is by linking to a website from the app and have a donation button there.
how long until that is prohibited though..
https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/06/apple-extends-deadline-for-ne...
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#188The very same thing happened to manyverse (android ssb client) the other day. Got de-listed, resubmitted without donation page, now it's back up. How google tries to claim any sort of support for open source is beyond me. What open source app doesn't need a donation link? Those approved and funded by google don't, okay. But other than that?
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't conflate Apple's monopoly with Google's store. Anyone can go install F-Droid or Amazon or whatever on their Android phone. The only thing stopping people is satisfaction with the status quo and/or ignorance. However, Apple totally rules their walled garden, with some added gross exploitation to boot (recent "Sherlocking" story for Luna Display).
Android/Google don't make it easy though. Installing an APK requires a security setting change. Search results for "install f-droid on android" on google are very unhelpful for a general user compared to search results from DDG or Bing.
Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
>(for the time being) Why do you have that caveat ? You can use f-droid forever.
Because I prefer sticking to APKs signed by the author of the app. F-Droid APKs are signed with different keys, typically.