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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Given all those other countries we've been bombing based on false pretenses I'd say a lack of US government funding would be a net positive. I'll take lawless anarchy over a relatively well organized state that bombs children to secure foreign oil production facilities and prop up the petro-dollar.

Children dying is always a tragedy, or any civilians really. Here's a question for you: If the US were to collapse into anarchy, and there was suddenly a void in the world where the US military used to exist, do you think would there be more or fewer civilian/child deaths (in total, from other forces) and why?

I betting more short term but fewer long term. The immediate bloodbaths would be in America's client states that Russia and China move in on, but some of those would probably manage independence. Long term, one less bully dropping bombs on children should result in fewer deaths. The power vacuum is real, but I don't think it be entirely filled with other international bullies. A collapse of the military would probably result in some pretty dope weapon systems switching hands, as it did during the collapse of the Soviet Union. This would cause bloodshed, sure, but it also means some of those prior client states might have a better shot at independence than one might first imagine. I'll also point out that those power vacuum dynamics exhibit themselves at multiple levels of supervenience, and the US is often responsible for their disruption on smaller scales.

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That last bit breaks the HN guidelines badly. Would you please re-read them and follow them? Such cheap accusations of brigading get made all the time from both sides and have proven to be completely unreliable. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data. While accusations of brigading are common, I don't think the accusation is cheap in this case, you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it direc…

You're finessing this, but it's not a fine point. The guideline is clear. Please stop breaking it.

> you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email

That's not accurate at all, and I have no idea what I said in email that would have made you think this. I've been looking at this data for years and have basically never seen anything remotely like what you're talking about. What you posted was a perfect example of the cheap accusations that the guidelines ask you to refrain from. You broke other guidelines there too, with going on about downvotes and flamey rhetoric ("Enjoy being disciplined by your masters"—please keep that kind of thing off HN).

If you want more explanation, I spent the whole day and half the night posting about this yesterday:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971

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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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> Well, in many countries it absolutely is. And there is no way to fix this. That a legal government of a modern democratic country cannot represent its people is a horrendous claim. As a strong believer of democracy, I'd rather assume that you were the minority in this case. The everyone claim may hold true for everyone you know (among the minority of your country of course).

There are countries with high corruption rates where elections are well-known to be manipulated in a number of illegal ways, e.g. by tossing in huge numbers of fake votes and by blocking opposition from participating in elections for fake reasons. And even if the elections were held correctly, an elected government which ignores its duty to protect minorities is not democratic. As a strong believer of democracy are y…

"As a strong believer of democracy are you naive enough to believe all the elections are perfectly fair, no party at power ever cheats to imitate democracy and that democracy is about everybody sacrificing themselves to obey "the majority?"

As believer of HEALTHY democracy, I've never made any such implications. Guys from US/UK/EU claiming Taiwan is a country should go protesting right away, don't let democracy down!

As I already said, if democracy doesn't work in your country, don't waste your time caring about China/TW/HK unless you actually live there.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Aren't most Chinese citizens actually backing the Chinese government on this?

The post references Cupertino, not Shanghai. Or are you trying to say something else?

I'm saying that it's not even remotely far-fetched to believe that Chinese Americans living in Cupertino would hold beliefs similar to those who live where they are (or were) from. Implying it's racism is frankly childish.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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-ISIS. At their peak they had a sizeable chunk of land, a flag, a capital, civic functions like a court system, an oil industry, handed out passports, were fighting a conventional land war using conventional (not terrorist/guerilla) tactics, had a uniformed army, and the word "state" was right there in the name. But don't you dare call them a state lest someone mistake you for a terrorist sympathizer. That's playing…

Was the Roman Empire a country?

Not really, it was the alpha version of the EU.

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> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data. While accusations of brigading are common, I don't think the accusation is cheap in this case, you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it direc…

You're finessing this, but it's not a fine point. The guideline is clear. Please stop breaking it. > you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email That's not accurate at all, and I have no idea what I said in email that would have made you think this. I've been looking at this data for years and have basically never seen anythin…

I didn't complain about downvotes but welcomed them (as a point about hypocrisy). You and I have personally discussed strange moderation around articles involving China, you can find them in your inbox. Nevertheless I'll refrain from discussing them here, not because I agree with you (I don't) but because you have power here and I don't like having these discussions.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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The post references Cupertino, not Shanghai. Or are you trying to say something else?

I'm saying that it's not even remotely far-fetched to believe that Chinese Americans living in Cupertino would hold beliefs similar to those who live where they are (or were) from. Implying it's racism is frankly childish.

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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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The post references Cupertino, not Shanghai. Or are you trying to say something else?

I'm saying that it's not even remotely far-fetched to believe that Chinese Americans living in Cupertino would hold beliefs similar to those who live where they are (or were) from. Implying it's racism is frankly childish.

Why? Because they're the same ethnicity? You think they think they same way because they're the same ethnicity. To object to calling that racism is frankly childish. That kind of thinking is the how we got Executive Order 9066 despite an investigation finding no evidence of any fifth column among Japanese Americans. The fact that there are people that think like you do strengthens my belief that another Executive Order 9066 is nowhere near as impossible as people would like to believe.

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Man that's crazy! They must've paid real close attention to it, but I think it's partly due to low resolution screens available in circa 1995. On a low-res screen, it's impossible to draw maps completely according to the borders, so this was probably inevitable and unintentional.

Inside Microsoft, there's a whole database of geopolitically-sensitive issues that have been accrued over the years. You can see all sorts of border disputes and differences in language that you had to take into account when working on global products. On a related note, now you have movies with different scenes in China. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the_extra_looper_scenes_y https://kotaku.com/why-many-in-china-hat…

I don't remember a lot about Looper but I feel like more exposition of JGL's "downward spiral" would have really helped clear things up for me -- for example, how anybody can go from looking like JGL to looking like 2010s Bruce Willis.

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I'm saying that it's not even remotely far-fetched to believe that Chinese Americans living in Cupertino would hold beliefs similar to those who live where they are (or were) from. Implying it's racism is frankly childish.

Why? Because they're the same ethnicity? You think they think they same way because they're the same ethnicity. To object to calling that racism is frankly childish. That kind of thinking is the how we got Executive Order 9066 despite an investigation finding no evidence of any fifth column among Japanese Americans. The fact that there are people that think like you do strengthens my belief that another Executive Ord…

It's not because they are the same ethnicity... It's because they were potentially brought up with very similar values and culture, and that shared background can manifest itself as similar attitudes to the behavior of their government. Notice how this is not even remotely controversial or racial, but because you have already decided what to believe on this politically loaded topic, you will blow your whistle and signal your virtues.

The Chinese government is known to own the media and pump worldwide propaganda to its citizens and ex-citizens living abroad. These are facts, and they are only related to race because they apply to Chinese people. Please stop with the bullshit. It's embarrassing.

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