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Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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Let's be realistic: there are only humans with subjective narrow view of the world out there. And whoever will tell you that you are more/less realistic than some other category of people are judging you by their own narrow opinion of what is the ultimate-true-real-reality™.

I hope this helped you to feel more depressed.

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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post #18

That seems reasonable to me. I've often found optimism in others to be foolish. And for bipolar me, extreme optimism is a sign of hypomania. But there's a lot more to depression than seeing the world realistically. There's a tendency to feel inadequate, hopeless and disempowered. And there's more to that than seeing oneself and ones capabilities realistically. One aspect is failing to break out huge problems into man…

From my own experience I'd agree with this - I can feel down, certainly, but I'm nowhere near the non-functioning, clinically depressed state I was in for 4 years a few years back. I don't think the "realistic" vision I had of "the world" has really changed, just the attitude: I'm still "stupid as f*ck" and observing "person X I knew in high school totally has such a better life than I do" - but now, it's about inter…

I too wonder what would possess anyone to earnestly read the incel wiki...

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

#63
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One aspect is failing to break out huge problems into manageable pieces. This is the main problem I have had with depression. Beeing overwhelmed by the smallest problem because the consecquences of all actions that has to be taken to solve it.

> One aspect is failing to break out huge problems into manageable pieces. Isn't this rather a sign that the world is simply too complex and should be simplified?

Nah. I’ve had trouble convincing myself that doing dishes wasn’t an insurmountable task. Depression messes with your perspective. Basic, easy tasks seem impossible.

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

#64

Let's be realistic: there are only humans with subjective narrow view of the world out there. And whoever will tell you that you are more/less realistic than some other category of people are judging you by their own narrow opinion of what is the ultimate-true-real-reality™. I hope this helped you to feel more depressed.

So the flat earthers are just as tuned into reality as the rest of us?

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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post #35

Why am I not surprised? The world is really going down right now and just following news what's going on is reason enough to cry like a baby or lose it completely. That's one of the main reasons why many people take drugs - it helps to forget what's happening around us and it makes us numb enough to stop feeling the constant pain when we think about the things happening to our brothers and sisters who aren't lucky en…

In many ways (disease, poverty, social well-being) the world is better than it ever has been.

Just because bad things are happening and dominate news doesn't mean that's all that's happening or that the net is negative.

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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post #8

Could it be that people who see the world Realistically, get depressed?

I just learned about King Leopold and what he did to the people of Congo [1]. How anyone can be at all educated about the world and not be depressed is beyond me.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free...

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

#67
> Put people in a room and ask them to push a button

> It seems like the button is doing something, but actually it's not attached to anything

> Ask people if they felt like they had any effect on the world

> Depressed people say "nothing I do matters", non-depressed people say "Well, I'm not sure, but there might be some effect, yeah"

"DEPRESSED PEOPLE SEE THE WORLD MORE REALISTICALLY"

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

#68
> The people most likely to experience depressive realism? Introverts, males, and people with high IQs

I cringe every time I see Vice on the front page. To be "depressively realistic", I think they care less about scientific accuracy, and more about making their introverted, male, mildly-depressed audience feel smart.

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

#69

Let's be realistic: there are only humans with subjective narrow view of the world out there. And whoever will tell you that you are more/less realistic than some other category of people are judging you by their own narrow opinion of what is the ultimate-true-real-reality™. I hope this helped you to feel more depressed.

I am depressed by objective things like the die off of birds and bees and acidification of the oceans and temperature rises. I am depressed by the state of humans and their behaviors which are observable if harder to quantify.

And as I've gotten older I realize I have a pretty solid grasp on things and the sort of woo-woo model of reality you propose "everything is relative" is eminently ignoreable.

Re: Depressed People See the World More Realistically (2017)

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post #8

Could it be that people who see the world Realistically, get depressed?

One possible explanation of results:

1. The world is, in fact, pretty messed up a lot of the time.

2. There are different ways to deal with it:

2a. Don't deal well with it; get depressed

2b. Denial: Refuse to face up to how messed up the world is.

2c. Deal with the world in some other way that is neither denial nor depression.

Presumably in their study 2a and 2c would both score more "realistic" and 2b would score less "realistic"; but 2b and 2c would be grouped together in the study, causing the "not depressed" group as a whole to score lower on the "realistic" axis.

IOW, the simplistic conclusion of this study would be, "The only way to avoid being depressed is to go into denial"; but the study may also be consistent with, "One way people avoid being depressed is to go into denial; but there may be ways to avoid depression other than denial".

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