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Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by yladiz »

tutiospose wrote: post #330
echelon wrote: post #202

We need to impose an 80% repatriation tax on any profits earned in China in order to offset the damages done to our domestic freedom of speech. China should not be able to control society outside of its own walls, yet they have blatantly influenced the behavior of our biggest mass media companies for years. To be fair, they've done an outstanding job of it. They fund a huge number of film productions. They've bought…

> China should not be able to control society outside of its own walls, yet they have blatantly influenced the behavior of our biggest mass media companies for years. It’s companies that want access to China that are making these choices. It’s why foreign companies are afraid to deal with Cuba, Venezuela, or Iran.

The main reason is that doing business with those countries can cause serious issues if you have any business at all in USA, since it's illegal to do so.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by Gigablah »

onli wrote: post #59
streb-lo wrote: post #17

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> is going to hurt their bottom line far more than China will. Yea right. a) China has a huge market and b) most people don't really care. Go to /r/hearthstone or /r/wow and browse by new. People don't care.

Many of the blizzard related subreddits are staffed by mods that remove posts about China. And when you post something in /r/wow you see a big "no politics" banner. Not seeing that many posts about this there means nothing about how the players feel. And reddit in general was up in arms about this.

There was a bigger outrage about EA during the lootbox fiasco. The most downvoted post in Reddit history belongs to an EA representative.

EA doesn't seem to have suffered.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by flukus »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #348
flukus wrote: post #341

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> Protected characteristics i.e. things you can't use as a basis for discrimination are things that people can't change about themselves. That's not true, the list of protected classes includes religion, gender, familial status and veteran status. All things which people have control over. But the point is we've already stomped all over any "right" a business has to deny service to someone. Instead of defending this…

People have control over their gender? You should let everyone suffering from dysphoria know that!

Take that up with the people claiming gender is a social construct, that identify as gender fluid or making up the alphabet soup of modern genders. I had no part in that.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by Dylan16807 »

apostacy wrote: post #267
jknoepfler wrote: post #216

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Insofar as radio frequencies, internet domains, cable infrastructure and the like are effectively government induced oligolpolies, they are protected media as well. In general though, yes, you have no right to have a particular editorial published in the new york times on your behalf. What the press deigns to publish is protected. You're also free to start your own paper, or blog, or whatever.

> You're also free to start your own paper, or blog, or whatever. NO, you really aren't free to do that. If every means of communication is in private hands, and access is denied to you, then you effectively have no free speech. I am really depressed by the radical libertarian corporatism here on HN. If an oil company brought all the land around your house, and put up a wall on all sides, and refused to let you leave…

> private telegraphs that were subsidized by the government

The post you replied to said that those things would have to carry you. What are you even ranting about at this point?

> If every means of communication is in private hands, and access is denied to you, then you effectively have no free speech.

Which is a theoretical risk only. But I'd say the answer is that you can buy whatever size internet connection you want and then host it yourself, in the exceptionally unlikely situation that no data center in a thousand miles will rent you space.

(This would require 'common carrier' rules to be broadened very slightly, I'm aware things aren't perfect.)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

apostacy wrote: post #172
jknoepfler wrote: post #98

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edit: I'm being downvote bombed for this, which is strange. Anyone care to articulate reasons for disagreeing? Would it be correct to boycott CloudFlare for deplatforming the Daily Stormer? No, because there's nothing wrong with deplatforming Nazis, there was nothing morally reprehensible in Cloudflare's actions. Would it be correct to boycott Blizzard for severely over-reacting to a pro Hong Kong political act on on…

> Would it be correct to boycott CloudFlare for deplatforming the Daily Stormer? No, because there's nothing wrong with deplatforming Nazis, there was nothing morally reprehensible in Cloudflare's actions. Yes, it was wrong of CloudFlare to do that, and if I could choose a competitor I would. And you would change your mind if someone accuses you of being a "nazi" and your account is immediately terminated. And yes it…

> If it can happen to Jordan Peterson, it can happen to anyone.

Ha.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by knzhou »

echelon wrote: post #202

We need to impose an 80% repatriation tax on any profits earned in China in order to offset the damages done to our domestic freedom of speech. China should not be able to control society outside of its own walls, yet they have blatantly influenced the behavior of our biggest mass media companies for years. To be fair, they've done an outstanding job of it. They fund a huge number of film productions. They've bought…

> They fund a huge number of film productions.

> All the while we never once see China portrayed as an enemy.

> Games are not permitted to promote LGBT acceptance.

> Films sometimes bend backwards to include China as a strong and moral ally.

Sorry, are you just this making stuff up or do you live in that much of an echo chamber? None of this reflects anything about mainstream American culture -- if anything, everything you say is the exact opposite of reality. Even this comment thread is a counterexample.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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Post by Dylan16807 »

flukus wrote: post #353
Dylan16807 wrote: post #348

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People have control over their gender? You should let everyone suffering from dysphoria know that!

Take that up with the people claiming gender is a social construct, that identify as gender fluid or making up the alphabet soup of modern genders. I had no part in that.

> Take that up with the people claiming gender is a social construct

There's gender expression, and there's gender identity.

The people that use that phrase to 100% include gender identity are pretty much all anti-trans bigots. I do take it up with them when the opportunity arises, but if you're going to say the same things then you're part of the problem. You can't say something and be blameless because you heard it from someone else.

> that identify as gender fluid or making up the alphabet soup of modern genders

Maybe some of them are going too hard on the need to categorize everything, but they're still not choosing that underlying nature.

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Post by phy6 »

2bitencryption wrote: post #317
mintplant wrote: post #289

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So, what, as an LGBTQ+ person, I'm not allowed to be represented in media? Because my existence is "political"?

I think the problem is like this: Blizzard creates art/items/events specifically catering to LGBTQ, with the concept that in modern western countries this is not a controversial stance but the only decent stance. Then, at an event, a tournament winner is given a chance to speak and calls for democracy and freedom in Hong Kong. Blizzard's response to this is ban him, take his prize away, ban the tournament casters for…

Add Blizzard's weibo account response to their list of actions "....We will always respect and defend the pride of our country."

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dfkmp1/blizzards_...

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Post by kalleboo »

darklajid wrote: post #343
alex_c wrote: post #333

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Context is important. Context #1: there has been a years-long trend for Western entertainment media (movies, games) to cater to the Chinese market. This ranges from voluntary censorship that seems odd in the West (no skeletons?) to more sensitive topics like sexuality. Specifically, last year Blizzard disappointed fans by announcing a mobile Diablo game that no one really asked for and that many felt is squarely aime…

> Context #1: there has been a years-long trend for Western entertainment media (movies, games) to cater to the Chinese market. This ranges from voluntary censorship that seems odd in the West (no skeletons?) to more sensitive topics like sexuality. I .. take your word for it. I'm not sure what the "no skeletons?" references and I'd argue that sexuality is already a pretty weird thing if you - say - take the US and E…

> I'm not sure what the "no skeletons?" references

https://www.techinasia.com/china-doesnt-censor-skeletons-the...

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Post by knicholes »

netsharc wrote: post #313
mintplant wrote: post #289

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So, what, as an LGBTQ+ person, I'm not allowed to be represented in media? Because my existence is "political"?

Sadly in many places it still is political isn't it? Like Russia, China, Utah... Since homophobic bigots run the places and think it's ok to oppress things they aren't comfortable with...

You name two countries and then an obscure state. What's the deal with Utah?
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