California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am

Post by paulie_a » Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 3:02 AM UTC

_coveredInBees wrote: post #192

dev_dull wrote: post #188

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To me this sounds line a great way to give teachers non-curricular overtime pay. It’s good for all parties involved to have a face-to-face relationship, and a way for our public school teachers to supplement their income if they so desire.

That sounds great, but where is that extra money to pay the teachers going to come from? Propose raising property taxes to cover things like this and a large portion of the people wanting this will suddenly vanish.

Post by arcticbull » Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 3:05 AM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #156

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Ah, meddling central-planners preventing hard-working families from doing what it takes to achieve their dreams... Don’t you just have to shake your head at people who’ve literally never had to accomplish anything life-and-death in their entitled little lives, making rules to protect us? It brings a tear to the eye.

My entire family would be on the bus a full hour before dawn at -20C, and wouldn’t return home until dark for 6 months of the year. Learning to bear hardship isn’t a tragedy, in a loving home. One of these things is the important factor to focus on, and one isn’t. As usual, bureaucrats focus on exactly the wrong one.

Post by arcticbull » Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 3:06 AM UTC

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A bunch of studies came out saying that students are better with more sleep and generally waking up after 7 is best so we get this law. The problem here is that I am betting that the kids still get home before their parents from work and now they will have to start after their parents leave for work so it will put an economic crunch on dual working parents.

Why don't kids just go to sleep earlier? Isn't part of raising children teaching them self-discipline? Things like putting down the electronic gadgets at night, not consuming stimulating food/drinks in the evening, etc. It's shit like this that makes California look so ridiculous to the rest of the nation.

Post by ThomPete » Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 3:09 AM UTC

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Its not anectdotal and i would urge you to point to the scientific studies so we can debate their methodology and “scientific” base. I’m too old to just take these kind of studies as science without looking at the details. Now you dont have to take my examples for more than they are but they sure contradict the claims being made in this thread and onna state level.

Someone else already replied with links so I'm not going to rehash here, but your parent post was the very definition of anecdote. You tried to refute entire studies and the current scientific consensus with a single example of how your kids do great academically despite waking up early for school. That is literally what an anecdote is.

Post by arcticbull » Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 3:13 AM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #57

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> This has been driven by earlier and earlier school start times What about later and later bed times?

> What about later and later bed times? This is the real factor. When I was a kid - it was in bed, lights out and go to sleep at 9pm the latest during school nights - strictly enforced by my parents. Now I regularly see small children (< 10 years old) out at the store past 10pm or 11pm on school nights.