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Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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This is a crisis point for everyone who supports political free speech. Every corporation and business person is watching this to see which hurts their bottom line less, suppressing free speech globally, or angering China. As consumers, we must make sure that they get the message loud and clear that suppressing free speech globally on behalf of China is going to hurt their bottom line far more than China will. Otherw…

> This is a crisis point for everyone who supports political free speech. It’s a crisis created by the political movement to force every company to take a political stance on every issue, and to force companies to not associate with political out-group members. I’m sure it feels really good when you’re in the in-group, but quite obviously gets people really worked up when it doesn’t come down on their side.

A neutral political stance would be to do nothing and ignore the "incident".

Blizzard took explicit action and chose a side.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#72

The huge question here is what's going to happen at BlizzCon in two weeks. There'll be 40,000+ attendees, cameras everywhere, there are usually Q&A panels, homemade signs for player support, cosplay, everything. How can you host BlizzCon when you're terrified of political speech?

They don't need to stream live but even if they do it seems trivial to add 8 seconds of delay and cut to commercial like most live TV.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#73

The huge question here is what's going to happen at BlizzCon in two weeks. There'll be 40,000+ attendees, cameras everywhere, there are usually Q&A panels, homemade signs for player support, cosplay, everything. How can you host BlizzCon when you're terrified of political speech?

I, and several friends, all have tickets. We're still deciding what form of protest will be most effective (too overt and the message gets quickly lost when security kicks you out).

Broadcast a good wifi hotspot name of course.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#74

This is a crisis point for everyone who supports political free speech. Every corporation and business person is watching this to see which hurts their bottom line less, suppressing free speech globally, or angering China. As consumers, we must make sure that they get the message loud and clear that suppressing free speech globally on behalf of China is going to hurt their bottom line far more than China will. Otherw…

I agree with you completely, but this whole debacle has highlighted what seems to be hypocrisy in the general public's reaction to this. Remember when The Daily Stormer got kicked off CloudFlare and a whole host of other platforms, to the point that no one would take their business and they were effectively censored? The average take on that seemed to be a mix of "Free speech doesn't apply to private companies" and "…

The difference is that a country which is committing human rights abuses is pressuring said private company (among _many_ others) to abridge free speech. The other case is a private company not wanting to host right-wing neo-nazi content of which the general public isn’t really accepting. I don’t see the hypocrisy here at all.. tbh I don’t even quite understand how you can conflate the two situations other than the fact the two words “free” and “speech” are involved.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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> This time around China is looking to become the largest market and if we let it to become one before China sheds its "communism with Chinese characteristics", it will crush the West. If China can shed Communism and compete with the West as a free society, then more power to it. It might hurt American pride a bit, but the U.K. seems to have managed...

> but the U.K. seems to have managed... Except for that Brexit conundrum.

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Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#76

The huge question here is what's going to happen at BlizzCon in two weeks. There'll be 40,000+ attendees, cameras everywhere, there are usually Q&A panels, homemade signs for player support, cosplay, everything. How can you host BlizzCon when you're terrified of political speech?

I, and several friends, all have tickets. We're still deciding what form of protest will be most effective (too overt and the message gets quickly lost when security kicks you out).

Since we are on HN you should make it some what technical in nature. Blinking lights on your costume but if someone was to look at the lights it would be blinking in Morse Code "Free Hong Kong!". Or discrete QR codes you put on your costumes and try and put them if front of as many cameras as possible. The QR code of course leading to your website of choosing. I am sure there are lots of neat ideas smarter people then me can come up with. Good luck.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

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I wish protesting against Blizzard would have an impact on Chinese policy but there's zero chance of that happening. I understand it's a long game (no pun intended), getting more and more companies to take a stand for free speech, but the impact on the lives of the people really affected by it is too small. The US government has much greater means to make a really powerful impact but I don't see that ever happening.

The goal is not to change chinese policy, it's to change the policy of how american business interact with chinese policy. I don't care nearly as much about how china is a draconian hellhole as I do about that hellhole infecting how american business do shit.

That's exactly it. China is trying, and succeeding, to chill our speech.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish protesting against Blizzard would have an impact on Chinese policy but there's zero chance of that happening. I understand it's a long game (no pun intended), getting more and more companies to take a stand for free speech, but the impact on the lives of the people really affected by it is too small. The US government has much greater means to make a really powerful impact but I don't see that ever happening.

The goal is not to change chinese policy, it's to change the policy of how american business interact with chinese policy. I don't care nearly as much about how china is a draconian hellhole as I do about that hellhole infecting how american business do shit.

^^ This!

Fuck China. We can do nothing about evil Winnie the Poo. We CAN do something about domestic companies kowtowing to evil Winnie the Poo. Voting with our wallet. #BoycottBlizzard

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#79

This is a crisis point for everyone who supports political free speech. Every corporation and business person is watching this to see which hurts their bottom line less, suppressing free speech globally, or angering China. As consumers, we must make sure that they get the message loud and clear that suppressing free speech globally on behalf of China is going to hurt their bottom line far more than China will. Otherw…

Blizzard stock hasn't suffered yet. And I doubt the cancelled subscriptions and closed accounts will have a significant long term impact. Especially since they mitigated account deletions by only allowing manual deletion requests with a submitted id; due to very conveniently timed and curiously persistent technical difficulties... These public outrage storms quickly subside and people go back to playing the games. It…

I managed to delete my account without submitting ID, and so did some other people on Twitter, so I'm not sure if they really mitigated this. It's possible that the reports about the technical difficulties were overblown.

Re: Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event

#80

The huge question here is what's going to happen at BlizzCon in two weeks. There'll be 40,000+ attendees, cameras everywhere, there are usually Q&A panels, homemade signs for player support, cosplay, everything. How can you host BlizzCon when you're terrified of political speech?

How do you respond when a character from your top grossing game is turned into a political meme? This is what Blizzard has been learning this week. How do you handle potentially thousands of attendees, at your organization's biggest annual event, turning it into a platform for political protest agaisnt your biggest growing market? There's three possible events: BlizzCon is canceled. Extremely unlikely but possible. B…

This is a very awkward situation for blizzard, one they have ultimately created

How do you figure they created it?

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