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$100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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I'm behind a paywall, so I'm sure they pick up on this, but the biggest problem I ran into when I thought I could afford a house was the down payment. You can make $100k (or less!) and quite easily afford a monthly mortgage payment, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have enough saved up for a down payment.

You only need 3.5% down with an FHA loan. To put that in perspective, a $300,000 home would only require $10,500 down.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#52

$100,000 still a lot of money. You can buy a beer in Vietnam for 20 cents. The problem in the Bay Area, where I live, is we artificially limit the amount of housing. So prices move to infinity.

I would say that is a problem in any place where it is desirable to live these days. Locations I've experienced first hand: London, Sydney, Bay area, Los Angeles, Vancouver... and I'm sure there are many more where you can't buy on that salary.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Median household income in USA is $59,039. That's both the mother AND father working to bring home $59,039 on the average (before taxes and other costs). Its clear you live in a rich area where $100k isn't much. But that's also why a large chunk of Americans think that "city-folk" are disconnected from reality. $100k is a lot for many people. My sister lives in an area (in USA) where a 2-bedroom apartment is just $50…

Rural folk don't understand that even if you're making 100k in the big city, a lot of that is eaten up by housing costs. The fantasy of what people who don't earn 100k think 100k buys you is very different from the reality of what lifestyle 100k affords.

Instead of looking down on rural folk, consider the possibility that what people like you and me who earn 100k spend might be very different from what we need to spend.

After all, people in big cities by and large don't earn $100k either, and yet they manage to live somehow!

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#54

It's been a long time since $100k was a lot of money

Median household income in USA is $59,039. That's both the mother AND father working to bring home $59,039 on the average (before taxes and other costs). Its clear you live in a rich area where $100k isn't much. But that's also why a large chunk of Americans think that "city-folk" are disconnected from reality. $100k is a lot for many people. My sister lives in an area (in USA) where a 2-bedroom apartment is just $50…

Households != mother + father + children, where income is presumably higher. Households include all living situations which includes households with 1 person, households with 1 person working, etc.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#55

There's very few places where there is an overlap of "jobs that pay $100k" and "homes that can be afforded at $100k salary".

Small town America will have $500 / month for a 2-bedroom apartment, while paying medical-doctors $200k+ / year. But you may be the only doctor around for 10s of miles. Which is why you'd be so valuable. I'm sure there are other $100k to $200k jobs that small towns need. No, you won't get high-tech or programming in small-town America. But there's more to life than just the tech-field. Its easy to forget because we'r…

If you consider automation to be sufficiently tech-y, there's still plenty of jobs like those around, particularly in the rust belt. The people I knew in this area lived in small towns and got paid well enough to live in neighborhoods surrounded by medical doctors.

Part of the problem is these jobs don't have the sex appeal of SV tech so they aren't on people's radar or just not considered desirable because of the nature of manufacturing work.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#56
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the typical american dream and why is there a typical version and an atypical version?

The typical american dream has always been a detached home with a car and 2 kids. At 100k a year I'd break even.

And then the kids go to college or someone in the family has a medical issue and boom, you're in debt for at least the next decade.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#57
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the sweet spot in terms of arbitrage right now is: find full time employment at a high earning job in a major metro area, move far enough from that metro area to work remote while being able to come into the office a handful of times per month. A three hour commute is easier when you only do it twice a week, or a few times a month.

A 3 hour commute each way is not easy even when you do it only twice a week

Round-trip

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#58

It's been a long time since $100k was a lot of money

Median household income in USA is $59,039. That's both the mother AND father working to bring home $59,039 on the average (before taxes and other costs). Its clear you live in a rich area where $100k isn't much. But that's also why a large chunk of Americans think that "city-folk" are disconnected from reality. $100k is a lot for many people. My sister lives in an area (in USA) where a 2-bedroom apartment is just $50…

That’s not how that statistic works. It considers all earnings in the household regardless of relations.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Median household income in USA is $59,039. That's both the mother AND father working to bring home $59,039 on the average (before taxes and other costs). Its clear you live in a rich area where $100k isn't much. But that's also why a large chunk of Americans think that "city-folk" are disconnected from reality. $100k is a lot for many people. My sister lives in an area (in USA) where a 2-bedroom apartment is just $50…

Hmm, do most households have two people nowadays?

It averages upwards. Many households have 2 working families so that they can afford the house.

I'd presume that most "single family homes" owned by a single-person would have 1-or-2 rooms rented out, providing 3+ income streams for the household.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#60

There's very few places where there is an overlap of "jobs that pay $100k" and "homes that can be afforded at $100k salary".

> "homes that can be afforded at $100k salary"

There are many places throughout the south, midwest and northeast with decent job markets and dirt cheap housing. The mortgage on my 1800 sq foot house is nearly a third of the cost of my tiny one bedroom back in Seattle. The cost of the entire house is a tenth of a house in the Bay Area.

I am fortunate to work remotely but when deciding where to live I wanted to be able to afford to keep this roof over my families' head even if I didn't have a Bay Area/Seattle gig. I think the biggest obstacle may be coming up with enough cash to secure the financing in the first place, and for that I am grateful to have lived and worked in a tech hub.

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