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Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by AshwinDurairaj » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

jedieaston wrote: post #2

Is this not a case study that anyone can leave Oracle now, if an Amazon scale install can?

SAP and Salesforce would love to, but haven't achieved Oracle-free status to the joy of Larry.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by mumblemumble » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 2:57 PM UTC

jedieaston wrote: post #2

Is this not a case study that anyone can leave Oracle now, if an Amazon scale install can?

It is not.

Amazon accomplished the task by building their own Oracle replacement. You have to be approximately as large as Amazon for that to be a realistic option.

If you'd like to use the alternatives that Amazon built, you can, of course, migrate to Amazon Web Services. Though, if you dislike the vendor lock-in you're experiencing with Oracle, and are considering Amazon as a good place to flee to, you possibly haven't been paying attention. With Oracle, you're just renting the software. With Amazon, you're renting both the software and the hardware, and renting the hardware is a precondition of being able to continue using the software, AND they charge you a fee to move your data off of their hardware. It's one of the most well-engineered enterprise vendor lock-in traps the industry has ever seen.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by taf2 » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

godson_drafty wrote: post #8

The developer carrying it out still using 2015 MBP

Me too - still the best laptop

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by hanniabu » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

godson_drafty wrote: post #8

The developer carrying it out still using 2015 MBP

My 2011 MBP is still my primary. This is the case for a lot of people because the newer versions just don't compare. On to of that you can't even upgrade the components in them since everything is integrated into the board.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by cwyers » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:03 PM UTC

mumblemumble wrote: post #12

jedieaston wrote: post #2

Is this not a case study that anyone can leave Oracle now, if an Amazon scale install can?

It is not. Amazon accomplished the task by building their own Oracle replacement. You have to be approximately as large as Amazon for that to be a realistic option. If you'd like to use the alternatives that Amazon built, you can, of course, migrate to Amazon Web Services. Though, if you dislike the vendor lock-in you're experiencing with Oracle, and are considering Amazon as a good place to flee to, you possibly hav…

Most places likely aren't using Oracle at Amazon's scale, either.

I suspect that one of MySQL, Postgres or Microsoft SQL Server can fill in for Oracle if you have access to the source code and can make changes yourself. (If you've bought software that is Oracle-only, then it's not an option -- but it wasn't an option for Amazon, either). I suspect that in a lot of cases, this will pay for itself, but it might take 10 years to do so.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by droobles » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:06 PM UTC

hanniabu wrote: post #14

godson_drafty wrote: post #8

The developer carrying it out still using 2015 MBP

My 2011 MBP is still my primary. This is the case for a lot of people because the newer versions just don't compare. On to of that you can't even upgrade the components in them since everything is integrated into the board.

samesies

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by victor106 » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:12 PM UTC

> The migration gave each internal team the freedom to choose the purpose-built AWS database service that best fit their needs, and also gave them better control over their budget and their cost model.

Anyone know of a comprehensive resource that we could use to figure out which DB to use?

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by CydeWeys » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

Migrating everything to the same externally-available cloud infrastructure is exactly the thing that Google needs to do, but has been failing at for going on a decade now. Yes, I'm bitter about it.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by zamalek » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:16 PM UTC

victor106 wrote: post #17

> The migration gave each internal team the freedom to choose the purpose-built AWS database service that best fit their needs, and also gave them better control over their budget and their cost model. Anyone know of a comprehensive resource that we could use to figure out which DB to use?

R&D and engineering.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by alexvoda » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 3:16 PM UTC

hanniabu wrote: post #14

godson_drafty wrote: post #8

The developer carrying it out still using 2015 MBP

My 2011 MBP is still my primary. This is the case for a lot of people because the newer versions just don't compare. On to of that you can't even upgrade the components in them since everything is integrated into the board.

In my opinion the best user friendly mac was the unibody early 2009 15" MacBook Pro. It was the last Mac with a removable battery. Plenty of technological improvements have been made since then but I still love that model.