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Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Cons: no Sun and the salaries seem to be capped at CHF 120-140K. Has that old school European mindset that managers and MBAs should be paid more than individual contributors, engineers.

Not only does Switzerland have a Sun, it has the same Sun as California, just on a slightly different schedule.

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no Sun Only in the winter. :) The other points hold as far as my experience goes.

Not true, there's a ton of sun in the mountains above the clouds.

Well, yes. I would say most developers can't go to their nearest 2500m peak and work for the day, though. :)

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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I'm an American expat in Switzerland working as an independent software developer and startup founder. I can agree with a lot of the points listed in the article, but they apply universally to almost all jobs (not just to software developers). I would raise a few points it doesn't mention: - Negatively, it is much harder to find meetups close to you that apply to you. Unless you're based in Zürich (the tech hub of th…

How was the process of obtaining a work visa / citizenship?

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Cons: no Sun and the salaries seem to be capped at CHF 120-140K. Has that old school European mindset that managers and MBAs should be paid more than individual contributors, engineers.

This is my experience as well. Even with > 10 years experience, it's hard to find engineering jobs paying > 120k.

> In Zurich, you can rent a whole flat (50+ square meters) for something between 2500-4000 CHF and if you are single and open to living with other people you can find a room in something called Wohngemeinde for as little as 800-1000 CHF.

Good luck if you have a family, it's ~4k for 4.5 rooms (100sqm).

Check the listings on the website, most of them cap out at 10k/month. That is gross, pre-tax. So net is about 8k max.

> Maybe it is because of the crunch work culture that squeezes out everything out of employees and only gives a payout to founders and VCs?

This is no different in Switzerland.

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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> If you want to save on the premium and keep yourself healthy then you pick the 2500 franchise and pay as little as 300 CHF per month for healthcare insurance.

That's..surprisingly expensive for someone that's not self-employed. I didn't think it would be that expensive. Meanwhile for me it's about $30 a month for my HSA employer plan with a lower deductible.

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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I'm an American expat in Switzerland working as an independent software developer and startup founder. I can agree with a lot of the points listed in the article, but they apply universally to almost all jobs (not just to software developers). I would raise a few points it doesn't mention: - Negatively, it is much harder to find meetups close to you that apply to you. Unless you're based in Zürich (the tech hub of th…

How was the process of obtaining a work visa / citizenship?

It took me about 10 minutes at the local city hall. However, my wife is Swiss, so I'm very much an exception.

If you don't have a familial connection, you need to find a job, and the company will need to prove they couldn't find a local Swiss resident/citizen that could have done the same job, so it's a bit harder to get in than Germany or other areas of the EU.

Edit: I'm on a multi-year residency visa. I'll need to renew once more before I'm eligible for citizenship (after ~5 years).

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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I'm an American expat in Switzerland working as an independent software developer and startup founder. I can agree with a lot of the points listed in the article, but they apply universally to almost all jobs (not just to software developers). I would raise a few points it doesn't mention: - Negatively, it is much harder to find meetups close to you that apply to you. Unless you're based in Zürich (the tech hub of th…

1. How easy/difficult to get Switzerland citizenship if you live and work there?

2. How popular is English language is in Switzerland IT companies?

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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I'm an American expat in Switzerland working as an independent software developer and startup founder. I can agree with a lot of the points listed in the article, but they apply universally to almost all jobs (not just to software developers). I would raise a few points it doesn't mention: - Negatively, it is much harder to find meetups close to you that apply to you. Unless you're based in Zürich (the tech hub of th…

What type of visa do you have and how did you qualify for it? Was it difficult to get?
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