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Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by jjeaff »

bennyp101 wrote: post #4

No. As much as everybody likes to hate on PHP, it powers a lot of services that are used all around the world - and a lot of internal systems. With 7.3 it seems as though PHP has finally got to a point where it knows who it is and where it's going - don't get me wrong, it's paid my wage for the last 18 years - but it's also made it very easy to shoot myself in the foot. With frameworks like Laravel and Symfony about…

Even if php stopped being used in all new projects today, people are still hiring for cobol projects.

The number of php projects now is orders of magnitude more than cobol in it's heyday.

There are going to be plenty of php jobs for quite some time.

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by hotgeart »

reustle wrote: post #9

According to this interesting Google Trends chart https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=python,p... Python is on a quite strong climb, with PHP falling significantly over the years. But, it also says Javascript is on the same trajectory so that shows the real value of the data.

The chart isn't interesting. You don't know if ppl who types python, typed it to make websites. Same with Javascript, you can do an entire website but also an native apps or just a modal.

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by thinkindie »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #6

It’s exhausting seeing these kinds of discussions. The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it. Besides the languages quirks, it’s incredibly productive and has a huge community of well engineered libraries for almost all mundane tasks. Theres great testing tools and general quality tool alike PHPStan. There’s an enormous pool of talent to hire from. I code mostly in node nowadays, not through ch…

There are other languages receiving way more praises like Python that at the end of the day are just lacking so many features that php gets right but still php is the bad guy.

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by deragon »

thinkindie wrote: post #13
deanclatworthy wrote: post #6

It’s exhausting seeing these kinds of discussions. The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it. Besides the languages quirks, it’s incredibly productive and has a huge community of well engineered libraries for almost all mundane tasks. Theres great testing tools and general quality tool alike PHPStan. There’s an enormous pool of talent to hire from. I code mostly in node nowadays, not through ch…

There are other languages receiving way more praises like Python that at the end of the day are just lacking so many features that php gets right but still php is the bad guy.

Like what features?

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by deragon »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #6

It’s exhausting seeing these kinds of discussions. The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it. Besides the languages quirks, it’s incredibly productive and has a huge community of well engineered libraries for almost all mundane tasks. Theres great testing tools and general quality tool alike PHPStan. There’s an enormous pool of talent to hire from. I code mostly in node nowadays, not through ch…

>The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it.

That is absolutely not true. I didn't care about PHP at all when I didn't use it. Then I got a job where I had to use it (and the management didn't want to hear about changing it), and I started slowly disliking it. Then I got out of that job and again mostly forgot about it and curretly don't really care what happens to it.

Weird defences like yours resurge the dislike, so there seems to be some amount of lingering trauma. And of course there's the worry that the more popular PHP is, the more probable it is that I will have to face it again some day.

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by deragon »

bennyp101 wrote: post #4

No. As much as everybody likes to hate on PHP, it powers a lot of services that are used all around the world - and a lot of internal systems. With 7.3 it seems as though PHP has finally got to a point where it knows who it is and where it's going - don't get me wrong, it's paid my wage for the last 18 years - but it's also made it very easy to shoot myself in the foot. With frameworks like Laravel and Symfony about…

>With 7.3 it seems as though PHP has finally got to a point where it knows who it is and where it's going

I've been reading a similar sentence for each version since 5.6. Is 2020 also gonna be the year of the Linux desktop?

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by Paturages »

Curious on how much of the 34% actually uses PHP >= 7.

As long as there's legacy, PHP jobs are not going to run out for sure, that's a given. I wouldn't exactly mind carrying a project in PHP >= 7, but I wouldn't wish to get a job in PHP < 7 territory personally.

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by colshrapnel »

deragon wrote: post #16
deanclatworthy wrote: post #6

It’s exhausting seeing these kinds of discussions. The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it. Besides the languages quirks, it’s incredibly productive and has a huge community of well engineered libraries for almost all mundane tasks. Theres great testing tools and general quality tool alike PHPStan. There’s an enormous pool of talent to hire from. I code mostly in node nowadays, not through ch…

>The only people who think PHP is dying is those who don’t use it. That is absolutely not true. I didn't care about PHP at all when I didn't use it. Then I got a job where I had to use it (and the management didn't want to hear about changing it), and I started slowly disliking it. Then I got out of that job and again mostly forgot about it and curretly don't really care what happens to it. Weird defences like yours…

So, given you "don't care what happens to PHP", I assume you don't give much heed to whether it's winning or dying. That's basically what @deanclatworthy is saying, so there is nothing to fight about. Cheers!

Re: The Future of PHP

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Post by thinkindie »

deragon wrote: post #15
thinkindie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other languages receiving way more praises like Python that at the end of the day are just lacking so many features that php gets right but still php is the bad guy.

Like what features?

types? interfaces?
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