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How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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Former Norway resident here, 3yrs. Their lunch traditions are definitely basic, as they were not a wealthy country for hundreds of years before striking oil in the 60s. The point to remember is that while the fare is basic, the quality is typically very good. Their cheese is extra creamy and nutritious, as is the bread. The same goes for the milk. Many Europeans won’t drink the milk here in the States because the qua…

> as they were not a wealthy country for hundreds of years before striking oil in the 60s. I was surprised by that statement and had to look it up and it was, of course, false. Norway was a wealthy country back to the 1800s: sources: https://medium.com/@Jernfrost/no-norway-was-not-a-poor-count... and https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-economic-history-of-norway/

The second paragraph of the first link specifically makes it clear it is a question of point of view and concedes Norway was poor relative to today. Meanwhile the distribution of wealth was a bigger issue.

Even in my lifetime - I'm 44 - the growth in wealth in Norway has been astounding.

Ironically, for example, whale meat is something I remember from my childhood as a cheap meat substitute (but that is now an expensive "delicacy"; we never saw it as a delicacy then - it is tough and oily) because my parents despite both having good jobs could not often afford beef in the early 80s. Even then we'd usually have it only once a week.

When I was a kid, a packed lunch was an economic necessity for many families.

This was also in some sense exacerbated by more income equality: eating out is relatively expensive in Norway because serving staff are also paid reasonably well.

But I think the main reason the matpakke has survived is basically that this was much closer to the norm a lot of places with low population density (~13 per square kilometer in Norway) berfore urbanization and well into early industrialisation and that Norway also for a long time was very severely lutheran, with a puritan streak. Even if you have money, showing it off is not the done thing.

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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I'm a Norwegian, and where I work I have the option of eating a big warm lunch, but I very rarely do. I've noticed that eating a big lunch makes the following hour extremely unproductive, so for the last year I have made a matpakke with 3 slices of bread. Normal _pålegg_ is liver paste, cheese or peanut butter. I can easily go through my lunch in just few minutes, and even while working at the same time. My thought p…

As an Italian, I am profoundly offended by this statement and most of the comments in this thread :D

Me too. It's like people are forgetting to enjoy their lives.

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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It’s kind of sad to see the meal culture eroding in other parts of the world. The “quickly ingest some food at your desk so you can keep working” mentality has taken hold. I’m French, and at my first office job - almost 15 years ago - the entire office was empty from noon till 2p. People would go get their kids at school, have lunch with them at home, and bring them back before returning to work. Or child free people…

> It’s kind of sad to see the meal culture eroding in other parts of the world. The “quickly ingest some food at your desk so you can keep working” mentality has taken hold. I really preferred eating at my desk while clocked in to eating a slow, luxurious lunch while clocked out. The slow lunch just means less time for the things you actually want to do.

But taking a break with decent food is exactly one of the things I want to do

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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Serious question: how is this enough calories for lunch? Assume you need 2,500 calories/day. Suppose you need a third of those at lunch, that's 830. (And given the traditional light continental breakfast, I'd expect an even larger lunch to compensate, so probably closer to 1,000.) A single sandwich with three layers of bread and three single layers of cheese or meat, can't be over 400 calories. I'd be starving and un…

For most of us (office dwelling, middle aged hackers) getting enough calories is not the concern, it's ensuring we don't get more than we strictly need. With modern diets, you have to work hard to starve.

One trick is to simply eat food that digests a bit more slowly. I like a breakfast of yoghurt and musli with some fruit mixed in. The musli keeps me going quite long and I find I don't get hungry quite as soon as when eating some pastry or other junk that people eat for breakfast. For lunch, I try to keep it light. Social pressure to go for big lunches with colleagues is making this hard. But I often go for salads or simple sandwiches. I'll eat something proper early evening when I have time to enjoy it.

Back in the day when I was regularly visiting colleagues in the US, I noticed that most of my US colleagues were quite a bit heavier than most of my European colleagues. Not a surprise because getting a healthy lunch was super hard. The service industry seems to specialize in trying to kill you with food. Most people were going for what I would classify as junk food. Every day. Even a sandwich was more like a heart attack on a plate. The service industry there is biased towards stuffing people with way too much food so they tip more. So, a sandwich would contain about 3X the recommended daily intake of meat; about the same amount of cheese and be dripping with fatty mayonaise and all wrapped in what passes for bread in the US. Typically comes with completely redundant crisps as well.

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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As an Italian, I am profoundly offended by this statement and most of the comments in this thread :D

Me too. It's like people are forgetting to enjoy their lives.

People enjoy different things - you might enjoy a long lunch, the original commenter enjoys going home early (to spend time with family, friends, dog, whatever)

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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I'm a Norwegian, and where I work I have the option of eating a big warm lunch, but I very rarely do. I've noticed that eating a big lunch makes the following hour extremely unproductive, so for the last year I have made a matpakke with 3 slices of bread. Normal _pålegg_ is liver paste, cheese or peanut butter. I can easily go through my lunch in just few minutes, and even while working at the same time. My thought p…

Yeah, I don't see how this is a boring lunch at all, that sandwich looks great to me. Does it mean though that your supper is usually "heavier"?

It’s really 2-3 open face sandwiches, each being one slice of bread, butter, and exactly one topping of meat or cheese. No condiments. Rarely any veg or any extra flavor. And that’s it. If this isn’t a boring lunch, I have no idea what is.

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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Me too. It's like people are forgetting to enjoy their lives.

People enjoy different things - you might enjoy a long lunch, the original commenter enjoys going home early (to spend time with family, friends, dog, whatever)

It’s not that. In Italy people have short lunch breaks too. It’s just what’s actually entitled to be called “lunch” that baffles the average Italian

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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I'm a Norwegian, and where I work I have the option of eating a big warm lunch, but I very rarely do. I've noticed that eating a big lunch makes the following hour extremely unproductive, so for the last year I have made a matpakke with 3 slices of bread. Normal _pålegg_ is liver paste, cheese or peanut butter. I can easily go through my lunch in just few minutes, and even while working at the same time. My thought p…

I have lived in Norway for 16 years. I am a foreigner.

One thing to keep in mind, when it comes to Norwegians:

It is not only the food that is boring. It is a whole nation that is boring.

Also every time they get together the topic would naturally drift off to either work or food. And boy it gets strange when they talk about food. They can sit and talk about a salad recipe or a pizza they had eaten in town in quite the boring detail, yet one chance arises they keep eating boring food.

Yes if you look at Scandinavian societies in isolation, they are a happy and wealthy people. The type of happiness you can feel for every minute that you do not freeze to death.

If we look at Scandinavian societies in comparison to the rest of the world and taking in consideration things like food, family, social connections, friendships, and general person to person connections, then you end up with a sad sad story just like that most boring lunch.

Especially for an outsider living in Scandinavia. Norwegians have a completely different value system from the rest of the world. Having weak social and family relations does not help. No morals outside of what is legal and not is a recipe for disaster. The worst of all is that they have the feeling that they are better than others. A lot can be told about these people by looking at their past and current habits.

Re: How to pack a Norwegian sandwich, the world’s most boring lunch

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I'm a Norwegian, and where I work I have the option of eating a big warm lunch, but I very rarely do. I've noticed that eating a big lunch makes the following hour extremely unproductive, so for the last year I have made a matpakke with 3 slices of bread. Normal _pålegg_ is liver paste, cheese or peanut butter. I can easily go through my lunch in just few minutes, and even while working at the same time. My thought p…

I suffered from this until I cut out simple carbs at lunch. Bread, pasta, potatoes, and rice all send me to sleep if I have them. Salads and meat I can pig out on without problems.
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