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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by wwweston »

nothis wrote: post #518
FPGAhacker wrote: post #375

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Find a used 2015 mbp. I love mine (15 inch, mid 2015). I probably would have upgraded for a better gpu, but the keyboards are too iffy for me. I shed a lot, and if dust/detritus is the mbp keyboard killer, it will never work for me. Honestly I mostly use my iPad now. Work-work is still a dell laptop with win 10, and is daily torture to use. Mostly from all the corporate spyware my employer loads it down with. At home…

I'm in the same boat as the guy you replied to and yea, I hear people recommend the 2015s all the time. Might do that, eventually. Then my laptop is 4 years old instead of 8 (and I'll probably still have to pay 4 digits for a used one). But what about 5 years from now? At one point, these options fade away. My hope is that Apple is secretly listening. They can't be happy about the negative butterfly keyboard headline…

> My hope is that Apple is secretly listening.

I'd love to believe this -- I have 5 Apple laptops from the Pismo G3 through a mid-2012, and liked all of them -- and I'd love to go back to being satisfied with that kind of purchase cycle again.

But I don't think Apple got it right before by listening in the sense of gathering feedback, I think they had some internal vision that came from a kind of attention to people like you and I as a market that they cared about.

And I think either the people who had a knack for that vision are gone, or the days when Apple could be bothered to care about that market are gone.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by msbarnett »

neop1x wrote: post #626
msbarnett wrote: post #520

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> I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. This is the kind of hyperbole that Linux advocates like to throw around a lot, and it’s unfortunate, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are asking for when they say things like “I wish there was a decent replacement for Ka…

If you want the latest software, install Arch Linux not Ubuntu/Debian.

You appear to have replied to the wrong post

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by enos »

jlnthws wrote: post #180
ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

The title might indeed be flamebait, but I can relate to parts of the rant: - after 2 years, my LG Ultrafine 5K still won't turn on at least once a week. During the first year, it was even freezing the MBP (monitor is up to date). - after 2 years using it, touch bar still feels like a miss, a toy gadget, now I need to carry an external keyboard (together with many dongles). And touch bar is still buggy, I have to swi…

kernel_task is due to high temperature on the left thunderbolt ports caused by charging. Plug your charger into the right side instead and it'll go away in about 15 seconds.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/363337/how-to-find...

Took me a long time to figure out too. I had the same frustration, that there is no way to debug the problem. A debug kernel is a PITA.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Annatar »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #430
Annatar wrote: post #422

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Actually there are no words which can describe my hate of GNU and Linux, so you Sir are confused. On top of that, the easiest and fastest way for end users to install software is through OS packages, rather than making poor users install one piece of software through pip, the other through npm and yet another through some other arbitrary, language or ecosystem proprietary "packaging" format. Poor users; my heart goes…

> Actually there are no words which can describe my hate of GNU and Linux Fair enough, I read your comment as supportive of this way of doing things, and therefore Linux in general.

I am supportive of delivering software through OS packages, and from the experience of working with computers for the past 35+ years, I'm absolutely convinced that the only way to correctly deliver software is through native operating system packages, on any platform.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by maxhille »

School-Cotton wrote: post #183
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #55

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Spot on. The smugness it takes to compare a paid product that spies on you to a gift from [paid and unpaid] volunteers.

Do you have any evidence that macOS spies on users?

Wasn't there just something about Apple sending browsing data to Tencent?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by sedachv »

msbarnett wrote: post #520
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

> I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. This is the kind of hyperbole that Linux advocates like to throw around a lot, and it’s unfortunate, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are asking for when they say things like “I wish there was a decent replacement for Ka…

> And then at some point during some random update some random set of apps will break all over again. It’s a far fucking cry from Karibiner.

My experience: Karabiner breaks on every Mac OS X release, and unlike xmodmap, I have never been able to get the following setup completely working in Mac OS X (some combination of: not being able to rebind the modifier keys, not being able to exchange () and [], and one time not even being able to rebind caps lock after an OS update):

https://oneofus.la/have-emacs-will-hack/2018-04-08-lisp-mach...

The X Window System is not Linux. It is not even GNU/Linux. But at least it is better than Mac OS X for things that I want to do, like running on different operating systems, and avoiding unwanted breaking updates shoved on me by multinational corporations.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tutfbhuf »

msbarnett wrote: post #614
tutfbhuf wrote: post #589

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> i3’s config files let you bind i3’s config. That’s not the same thing at all. That's why bspwm uses a WM independent tool for all keybindings: https://github.com/baskerville/sxhkd

This is also not really not something that solves the same problem as karibiner at all, afaict. This is just binding shell commands to hotkey sequences. For bspwm, where all it’s functionality is exposed to shell commands it can very narrowly achieve something similar, but again, Karibiner’s scope of operation is all apps system-wide. What people are wishing for when they wish for “a karibiner equivalent” isn’t a hot…

> or an Uber-keybindings app that knew how to write defaults to the 20 different preference files that control this stuff for different toolkits.

Or a VIM plugin

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Nursie »

dkonofalski wrote: post #610
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And I think you're conflating market share with how well something works. > If it really did "just work" and was that easy, you'd see way more computers in the wild using it. I encounter a number every day, in software engineering. For non-technical users installing an operating system is beyond what most can comprehend anyway. I'd wager the vast majority of hardware never sees an OS change in its life. Add on that d…

I don't understand the point you're making here. You initially said that Linux being arduous is an outdated trope and then admitted that the only people you see using Linux are software engineers and that non-technical users can't even comprehend the install. Who is Linux non-arduous for, then, except technical users and software engineers? Was your argument meant to apply to only the technical users because that was…

> You initially said that Linux being arduous is an outdated trope

Yes

> then admitted that the only people you see using Linux are software engineers and that non-technical users can't even comprehend the install

Any install, you don't see them installing windows either. I'm not sure my mother (for instance) really comprehends what an operating system is as a separate entity to "the computer".

> Was your argument meant to apply to only the technical users because that wasn't clear, if that's the case.

My argument, as stated, was that it works fine and the trope that you'll spend your life fiddling with it is outdated. This has absolutely f*ck all to do with how many people use it, as that number is affected by a lot of other factors.

You'll find elsewhere on this page I've talked about messing around with xrandr to get DPI-related stuff looking good on Xfce. And yes, I had to spend some time figuring that out, an evening of my life gone.

I had to spend a comparable amount of time recently trying to figure out how to get my bluetooth keyboard working properly when attached to OS X, and ended up creating a custom keymap for it. And since Catalina my macbook pro has spontaneously rebooted a bunch of times while asleep.

Windows has been a complete bastard with its update packages lately, and it took days of effort to update the four PCs in our house to Windows 10 1903, for no known reason, having got stuck on an older version that was going out of support and started throwing up warnings about being out of date. I'm still not sure how I fixed that, having tried a whole bunch of different methods over the course of several days. Incidentally the old version it got stuck on only had partial support for HDR which explains a load of other weirdness I was seeing on one of the machines.

So to me this idea that Linux on the desktop is a pain in the arse to keep running properly but other systems are not just doesn't ring true.

They've all cost me time and effort lately. Probably the least troublesome system we have in the house is a laptop running Linux Mint that we use to order pizza in the living room... Or my old ARM chromebook I suppose, but that's in well deserved retirement now.

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Post by Klonoar »

computerex wrote: post #638
Klonoar wrote: post #587

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This reads like every forum post where someone has asked "how's X distro work on Y laptop", and then people respond with something like the following: "Runs great! No issues. Suspend/resume are wonky but I'm able to get by. Bluetooth doesn't work reliably but who needs that? Wifi is slower than in Windows." This is also my experience, recently, with investigating laptops to switch to from my MBP2015. The average pers…

> This reads like every forum post where someone has asked "how's X distro work on Y laptop", and then people respond with something like the following: "Runs great! No issues. Suspend/resume are wonky but I'm able to get by. Bluetooth doesn't work reliably but who needs that? Wifi is slower than in Windows." I am not sure what you are talking about. I didn't mention a single suspend/resume/bluetooth or wifi problem.…

Nobody put words in your mouth, and the way you've responded leads me to believe the point I was making flew over your head entirely.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by computerex »

Klonoar wrote: post #659
computerex wrote: post #638

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> This reads like every forum post where someone has asked "how's X distro work on Y laptop", and then people respond with something like the following: "Runs great! No issues. Suspend/resume are wonky but I'm able to get by. Bluetooth doesn't work reliably but who needs that? Wifi is slower than in Windows." I am not sure what you are talking about. I didn't mention a single suspend/resume/bluetooth or wifi problem.…

Nobody put words in your mouth, and the way you've responded leads me to believe the point I was making flew over your head entirely.

Can you elaborate? What was the point you were trying to make?
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