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Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by netsharc »

spookthesunset wrote: post #71
bsamuels wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So 10 second clips of grainy 300x300 cat videos stolen from broadcast tv? If you think that is all that is on YouTube, you are sadly mistaken. Again. Give me a break. YouTube has absolutely transformed content distribution for then independent producer. We’ve never had a better age for independent content.

Your last statement needs the standard smallprint: Some restrictions apply. See Terms and Conditions.

And actually T&C which can change on a whim and aren't even always transparently visible.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by microcolonel »

ggggtez wrote: post #63
microcolonel wrote: post #60

This is the safe, nice YouTube you've been asking for. Hope you enjoy it. Remember when we were saying that it was going to end badly when the mainstream media were pressuring advertisers to have a moral stance on the content their advertisements are shown with? Well, this is exactly what was bound to happen. YouTube is (gradually, to reduce backlash) becoming Disney-VEVO-Time Warner tube, and that means they're goin…

There doesn't appear to be any evidence that educational videos are banned. This is just the same overblown news story from a month ago that they admitted was just a fluke of the content flagging system. A quick search on Google shows plenty of educational content in hacking, some from Google themselves. I'd say this borders on conspiracy theory at this point.

So much educational content, particularly historic content, is now on the continuum from delisted to removed entirely. The hacking content is just of particular interest to this community; it's not the story.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by shantly »

drdeadringer wrote: post #24
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #7

This is the consequence of monopolies. Before YouTube gobbled up the world there were great, niche video sites ran by fans of the coolest things. They are mostly gone now. It is sad. The web really used to be an adventure. I miss that part of the internet. You felt like you found these secret underground worlds where people were really into something. Now it’s different. Maybe what we have now it what is needed for c…

> Before YouTube gobbled up the world there were great, niche video sites ran by fans of the coolest things True Honest Question. What were these sights? I was a teenage in the 1990s. I seriously and literally do not know and now I want to.

Yeah, I also don't remember that. I remember being floored that Youtube was hosting so much video (you know, like 0.001% as much as they host now, by disk space consumed—way less of it and it was SD) for free—it blew my freaking mind. Server disk and bandwidth like that was so expensive. It was easy to find free hosting but it came with low disk use limits—video wasn't happening. Paid wasn't yet anywhere near as cheap as it is now, and came with lower limits. You could just sign up for free and upload... anything? Minutes and minutes, adding up to hours, of it? And anyone could watch it? It was incredible.

Of course I didn't yet understand the idea of operating at a huge loss to generate hockeystick growth and attract VC and/or acquisition, so I wasn't wrong and the math didn't make any damn sense, I just didn't know that it didn't matter.

It also seemed wild that their player actually kinda mostly worked. In the browser! Before YouTube it was all awful RealPlayer videos at ultra-low res and smeary, high compression rates, or maybe a short .mov or something of similar quality, and if it was streaming rather than a download it woul... [BUFFERING] ...d freeze constantly. Napster and friends were still mostly for music at the time. Some video sharing was going on but it was, like, really low-quality DiVX rips of DVDs for burning to CDs.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by hermitdev »

trentlott wrote: post #68
RugnirViking wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's the wrong mindset, but imo compensation is precisely why the internet stopped being like that. When people are doing things for free, there is generally a maximum to the amount of effort they will put into things. They might try to make something look nice and be slick for the end user, but they won't usually hire people or use big studios. This contributed to a culture where the very best people in the fi…

> When people are doing things for free, there is generally a maximum to the amount of effort they will put into things. I don't know, I feel like it's the opposite When you look at the myriad X-Files or guitar pedal schematic or whatever site, they could be endlessly detailed because it's what people did for fun. Nobody maxes out on fun. I do, however, max out my work hours...generally as quickly as possible. D In a…

I think what is missing here is the passion factor. Most devs will work on a project theyre passionate about for (insert reason here), but won't work on others unless theyre compensated for it.

I know this is true for myself. I will happily contribute to a project if I need it for work and my employer compensates me for it. I only work on a project if it is personally rewarding outside of work

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by jaco8 »

trentlott wrote: post #68
RugnirViking wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's the wrong mindset, but imo compensation is precisely why the internet stopped being like that. When people are doing things for free, there is generally a maximum to the amount of effort they will put into things. They might try to make something look nice and be slick for the end user, but they won't usually hire people or use big studios. This contributed to a culture where the very best people in the fi…

> When people are doing things for free, there is generally a maximum to the amount of effort they will put into things. I don't know, I feel like it's the opposite When you look at the myriad X-Files or guitar pedal schematic or whatever site, they could be endlessly detailed because it's what people did for fun. Nobody maxes out on fun. I do, however, max out my work hours...generally as quickly as possible. D In a…

... unless he or she already has enough money and enjoys to give things away freely to help out. This type of rational human does exist.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by coretx »

thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #7

This is the consequence of monopolies. Before YouTube gobbled up the world there were great, niche video sites ran by fans of the coolest things. They are mostly gone now. It is sad. The web really used to be an adventure. I miss that part of the internet. You felt like you found these secret underground worlds where people were really into something. Now it’s different. Maybe what we have now it what is needed for c…

Although YouTube's market position or "monopoly" as you'd like to call it certainly has drawn a crosshair on it's forehead; a more causal relationship between the take-downs proliferates to me as what people describe to be "cancel culture".

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by leppr »

kawfey wrote: post #37

I feel like more and more educational youtubers are going to be moving to platforms like Skillshare, Brilliant, and other next-gen educational/learning subscription services that already sponsor them, more or less because they're undoubtedly going to be fairly compensated for their work on those platforms vs. YouTube, and catering to an audience that is passionate about learning and doesn't post asinine troll comment…

The one thing YouTube has for it (maybe not for long) against these platforms is that all content being free from paywalls encourages user exploration (search or clicking on random thumbnails) and thus easier discovery of your videos.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by onion2k »

motohagiography wrote: post #39

I learned security from t-files, 8lgm, phrack, and bugtraq. The people who taught me learned it from mentorship. The only meaningful progress in security is by people who work against it. It's a craft subculture, and the real value of it is in securing the freedom of people to not be subjects of platforms. YouTube is lame for doing this, but it's a net positive for innovation. Let them have their walled suburb. Innov…

Let them have their walled suburb.

"Walled suburb" is a brilliant description of content platforms.

Re: YouTube is taking down educational hacking videos

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Post by andoofthewoods »

shadowgovt wrote: post #78
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #7

This is the consequence of monopolies. Before YouTube gobbled up the world there were great, niche video sites ran by fans of the coolest things. They are mostly gone now. It is sad. The web really used to be an adventure. I miss that part of the internet. You felt like you found these secret underground worlds where people were really into something. Now it’s different. Maybe what we have now it what is needed for c…

Can you name three such sites? Because I'm pretty sure you might be thinking of some other media; video was expensive to host efficiently because of the file size, and it's only right around the time of the inception of YouTube that costs came down far enough and bandwidth came up far enough to enable simple video sharing.

One example of a niche video site back then is Channel101

https://www.vulture.com/2012/04/the-complete-dan-harmon-chan...

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