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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by dkonofalski »

Nursie wrote: post #586
dkonofalski wrote: post #577

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>Generally though, Linux is Linux, and troubleshooting would solve these problems. Sure... but, to me, troubleshooting is tinkering. I don't want to have to troubleshoot my input device because it suddenly changes after an install or kernel update. Yes, I know that I can solve these problems but I don't want to have to do it all the time.

The idea that this is frequent or as arduous as it has been in the past really is an outdated trope. For the most part it just works. More so than windows in my recent experience.

It's really not. I think you're giving Linux far too much credit. If it really did "just work" and was that easy, you'd see way more computers in the wild using it. It's literally a free alternative that can be installed on any computer. The two biggest barriers to adoption are non-existent with Linux and yet it still has a minuscule user base comparatively. Unless you don't exclude servers, Linux doesn't "just work" for most people.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by fit2rule »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I've been a "MacBook" user since 2002 (tiBook), with subsidiary Linux machines playing second fiddle for when I'm at the Homebase.

Before that, I was 80% Linux and 20% SGI/MIPS for most of the 90's.

I Wish someone would make a Linux laptop as physically appealing as the 2018 MacBook Pro.

I have a GPD Pocket. Its pretty damn close. Gimme the same (or better, naturally) specs, but better form-factor than the MacBook Pro, and I will switch immediately.

Alas, until then, I'm using a MacBook.

READY TO SWITCH THOUGH! ITS THE HARDWARE, NOT THE SOFTWARE!

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by giancarlostoro »

vips7L wrote: post #515
giancarlostoro wrote: post #463

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Dont forget Budgie. While not quite as polished as it can be its a newcomer so I am not surprised. It is otherwise a sweet DE for me.

I ran budgie for about a year before switching back to windows for work and its leagues better than Gnome in my experience. Though at this point I think I would go for KDE given the opportunity.

I dont mind KDE and I do like Kubuntu but at work everyones on Gnome DEs so I try to have close enough environments so they dont blame KDE for all my problems when things break.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vetinari »

vbezhenar wrote: post #498
vetinari wrote: post #484

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> GTK is something developers frequently curse about and theme developers frequently abandon because the gnome team keeps breaking their themes. Let's compare comparable. Neither Cocoa nor Win32 do support third-party themes; for the exactly same reason why GTK is breaking them.

I remember themes for Windows XP. Have no idea, though, how many hacks were involved .

XP required themes signed by Microsoft. There were cracks that removed that requirement, but the result was, that when something was broken, you got to keep all the pieces.

For OSX, there were also hacks that changed the system appearance, and Apple took increasingly harder stance against them. Again, they break more than they solve.

The reason why platform vendors do not support third-party theming is, that it limits their ability for further development. They would need to preserve compatibility for something, that is internal implementation detail. For first party themes, they can keep them in lockstep with the rest of framework. For third party, they cannot. So they prevent third parties from existing.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vips7L »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #593
vips7L wrote: post #515

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I ran budgie for about a year before switching back to windows for work and its leagues better than Gnome in my experience. Though at this point I think I would go for KDE given the opportunity.

I dont mind KDE and I do like Kubuntu but at work everyones on Gnome DEs so I try to have close enough environments so they dont blame KDE for all my problems when things break.

I get it. The mac dev's like to blame windows at my place.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Corrado »

rickyc091 wrote: post #218
randallsquared wrote: post #134

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> 1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. Last year I had a lot of problems with this. It was pretty common[1] that USB-C to HDMI cables would work at first and then stop working in a particular port. Sometimes rebooting helped. Sometimes swapping the cable for ano…

I constantly still have problems with my Dell 4k monitor (first gen and last year's model), where it doesn't wake properly from sleep. Most of the time, I resolve it with the following. - Switch the USB-C port from one to another - Open up my laptop from clamshell mode and switch the cables around - Unplug my monitor - Restart my computer The nuclear option of rebooting my computer and monitor always seems to work.

I have this exact same problem - 2018 MBP, Dell U3415W. Sometimes it works, sometimes I can move the mouse enough to get it to work, sometimes the monitor won't wake up at all, sometimes the monitor wakes up and has a VGA screen resolution. I thought I had "fixed" it by turning off sleep mode in the MBP, but after a couple of days of working properly it started failing to wake up again.

I know its a problem with the macOS somewhere but Apple just doesn't seem to be focused on fixing these types of things. Even if you file a bug report it disappears into the ether and is never heard from again.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Nursie »

dkonofalski wrote: post #591
Nursie wrote: post #586

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The idea that this is frequent or as arduous as it has been in the past really is an outdated trope. For the most part it just works. More so than windows in my recent experience.

It's really not. I think you're giving Linux far too much credit. If it really did "just work" and was that easy, you'd see way more computers in the wild using it. It's literally a free alternative that can be installed on any computer. The two biggest barriers to adoption are non-existent with Linux and yet it still has a minuscule user base comparatively. Unless you don't exclude servers, Linux doesn't "just work"…

And I think you're conflating market share with how well something works.

> If it really did "just work" and was that easy, you'd see way more computers in the wild using it.

I encounter a number every day, in software engineering. For non-technical users installing an operating system is beyond what most can comprehend anyway. I'd wager the vast majority of hardware never sees an OS change in its life. Add on that desktop linux is not supported by most games and you've more or less excluded the semi-technical market too. That easily accounts for a small user base regardless of how well it works.

And if you take into account what people use it for - software development largely, in my experience - it seems natural that it has a smaller user base.

> Unless you don't exclude servers, Linux doesn't "just work" for most people.

You haven't really shown that, just a small market share.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by boomboomsubban »

dkonofalski wrote: post #591
Nursie wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that this is frequent or as arduous as it has been in the past really is an outdated trope. For the most part it just works. More so than windows in my recent experience.

It's really not. I think you're giving Linux far too much credit. If it really did "just work" and was that easy, you'd see way more computers in the wild using it. It's literally a free alternative that can be installed on any computer. The two biggest barriers to adoption are non-existent with Linux and yet it still has a minuscule user base comparatively. Unless you don't exclude servers, Linux doesn't "just work"…

>It's literally a free alternative that can be installed on any computer.

Practically nobody installs operating systems on their computer. The computer they bought comes with one and it never changes. The stability of Linux isn't the problem here.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by gwd »

mattigames wrote: post #305
jonwinstanley wrote: post #264

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I grew up using Windows and after 20 years switched to Mac and could not believe I had waited for so long. What parts of Windows do you prefer over MacOS?

I remember the few times I had to interact with MacOs to be really frustrating but I don't remember all the specifics, I remember actionable buttons being too small (so easier to miss), and the top bar changing options depending on what app is focused to bother me as well, because thats and extra click (to make the top bar appear) for every interaction there when you have 2 apps side to side. In general from what I k…

> I remember the few times I had to interact with MacOs to be really frustrating but I don't remember all the specifics

Then you just need to spend a bit more time on it.

Seriously, my wife had exactly the same attitude, until her company was bought by Apple and she was issued a MacBook Pro. Within a week she thought it was the best OS she'd ever used.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by SkyMarshal »

>After a ton more googling I managed to find a chat buried somewhere deep in Reddit which listed the magical indentation that purges reserved space. It consisted of running tmutil from the command line and giving it a bunch of command line arguments that did not seem to make sense or have any correlation to the thing that I wanted to do. But it did work and eventually I got XCode updated.

I had this exact problem recently. There's a simpler, safer solution. Delete files to free up enough space. They're moved to "Reserved Space", and when the system fails to delete them to free up space for new installs/updates, you run

    sudo purge
in the commandline.

Wait 20m or so and the Reserved Space should be emptied and your hard drive free space again.

http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/14/use-purge-command-os-x-maveri...

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