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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mkl »

The_rationalist wrote: post #437
computerex wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No operating system should update against the user's wishes. And this time the system didn't give me an option to delay, it simply let me know that it's about to restart and that I better save my work.

Sometimes people must be protected from themselves. Still, windows should allow you to delay it many times until forcing you, it's a shame it doesn't.

My operating system should never destroy my work or force me to waste time manually getting back to the productive place I was.

On Windows you can delay it many times (by scheduling the restart repeatedly a few days apart) but if you're not vigilant about doing that, it will just go ahead and destroy stuff.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Grustaf »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #301
Grustaf wrote: post #79

Even if this is true, there’s a crucial difference: 90% of what you want to do in MacOS is very simple and works, on 2000 Linux nothing was simple at all. I know because I only used Linux back then.

Analogy is not perfect therefore I am going to ignore everything you wrote?

No, but if you compare two case:

Mac: 90% is easy and works, 10% is really hard Linux: 90% is hard, 10% is really hard

I don’t think that focusing on the really hard 10% is very fair.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by blaser-waffle »

computerex wrote: post #209
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I started using linux in 2006 and I'd say linux is best its ever been. I used to have so many problems with my graphics drivers, now things usually work out of the box. I have not had any problems with multi-monitor support, although I have heard that HDPI screen experience still needs to be refined. I have a macbook pro running Mojave, and my gaming desktop runs Windows, my personal and favorite device runs Manjaro…

Seconded. Graphics drivers work OOTB and the Open ATI/AMD drivers are actually pretty good. Steam (with Proton) work well for most games save for the newest AAA titles, and WINE is pretty solid. Base install Fedora isn't too bad, and Linux Mint pretty good as well.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by karmakaze »

gfdgsgaagrhstrs wrote: post #517
karmakaze wrote: post #397

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> 1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI ... Apple's adapter only goes to 4k@30Hz. Which have you found to work? My monitor only has usb-c and two 4k hdmi@60 and two HDMI 4k@30. It's also annoying that Netflix on Mac doesn't do 4k where even my lowly Surface Go does.

That's not true anymore: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MUF82AM/A/usb-c-digital-a...

Hey thanks for the tip on the Model A2119. I have the Model A1621 and a third-party one which didn't do the job.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Nursie »

dkonofalski wrote: post #577
boomboomsubban wrote: post #449

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> Worse yet, it's now happened to me twice where I've set up a distro, spent the time to get it mostly working, and then, after using it for a few weeks, there's some annoyance or hardware issue that I can't resolve that is resolved in another distro A problem should only be unfixable without distro hopping if it requires a newer kernel or some other updated software. Even then, you can usually opt into a newer kerne…

>Generally though, Linux is Linux, and troubleshooting would solve these problems. Sure... but, to me, troubleshooting is tinkering. I don't want to have to troubleshoot my input device because it suddenly changes after an install or kernel update. Yes, I know that I can solve these problems but I don't want to have to do it all the time.

The idea that this is frequent or as arduous as it has been in the past really is an outdated trope.

For the most part it just works. More so than windows in my recent experience.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Klonoar »

computerex wrote: post #554
dkonofalski wrote: post #419

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This is my issue with Linux, though, despite having a dev VM environment of several distros. There are a metric f*ckton of Linux distros out there and, for every one of them that fixes the problems mentioned in one breath, they break or ignore a whole litany of other things. When I first started with Linux, it was pretty much Red Hat or bust and that was a pain but you knew what you were getting into. Now, it's nearl…

> Linux, to me, is still very much a tinkerer's OS. If you don't have the time to tinker and get things working and just want to get things done, Linux is not the way to go. Completely disagree with you. There are many fully featured desktop environments that are as feature rich as Windows or OSX. Cinnamon, elementary OS, Pop_OS are just three off the top of my head. And hardware support has gotten amazing since 2012…

This reads like every forum post where someone has asked "how's X distro work on Y laptop", and then people respond with something like the following:

"Runs great! No issues. Suspend/resume are wonky but I'm able to get by. Bluetooth doesn't work reliably but who needs that? Wifi is slower than in Windows."

This is also my experience, recently, with investigating laptops to switch to from my MBP2015. The average person does not give a single shit about this stuff. They expect it to either work, or they'll go where it does. Pop!_OS is certainly a step in the right direction, but it is in no way a true competitor to the ecosystems found on Windows/macOS.

I've run Linux/FreeBSD on and off since 2002ish, too, so I don't feel off in saying this.

There is almost no laptop out there that "just works" with Linux. You might get lucky, and the stars align when you do an install/buy a pre-set Linux laptop from System76/Dell, and then it works, but this isn't always the case for people.

On a Mac? Keyboard issues aside, things "just work" most of the time. I can run a Mac and ship actual products to people, or I can run some open source cobbled together setup and spend my time trying to make it work instead.

You only live once, so you should only do the latter for ideological reasons.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by esotericn »

iroeo0nd wrote: post #580
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

Surprise surprise not everyone is you. Go ahead and tinker but leave some space for others to do the same their way. It’s not “crap” it’s “not my preference” “Delicate users”. The bravado of someone getting good at organizing text really well. You’re such a mans man.

> You’re such a mans man.

/flex

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tutfbhuf »

msbarnett wrote: post #520
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

> I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. This is the kind of hyperbole that Linux advocates like to throw around a lot, and it’s unfortunate, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are asking for when they say things like “I wish there was a decent replacement for Ka…

> i3’s config files let you bind i3’s config. That’s not the same thing at all.

That's why bspwm uses a WM independent tool for all keybindings:

https://github.com/baskerville/sxhkd

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vbezhenar »

fortran77 wrote: post #579
vbezhenar wrote: post #562

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Did you ever get ECC corrected error?

Several dozen corrected bit-flips a year. I've seen stats that one can expect 1 bit-flip/gigabyte/month for a server that running a full load. You'd be crazy not to use ECC memory for production work. Here's a paper about it: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf

Thanks a lot for that statistics!
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