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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by sdan »

Fnoord wrote: post #152
sdan wrote: post #91

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Wish they’d still stick with the function keys... but axed it off this year. Regardless it’s ridiculous to sell any machine with only two ports.... even the $35 Raspberry pi has ports than this!

I'm good with 2 available ports like my MBPs 2015 have (as they still have MagSafe; which I prefer, btw). The problem with MB(P)s with 2 USB-C is that one is used for charger, hence you got effectively only 1 port.

Right.

1 port? Apple, I will go ahead and follow the USB C revolution. But you think that'll happen with effectively 1 port?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by rbanffy »

mmcnl wrote: post #514
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

Windows as a DE is quite excellent. Better than macOS even.

Don't do that. People may spit out their coffee. ;-)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jamesponddotco »

fragmede wrote: post #531
jamesponddotco wrote: post #432

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Been using macOS and Ubuntu for years now, and while I try to make Ubuntu my primary operating system so I can ditch my slow MacBook Air 2018, I always end up going back to it. Look, I love Ubuntu. Heck, I am a recognized Ubuntu Member, was the leader of the LoCo Team for my country for a while, helped a few universities in my state switch to Ubuntu from Windows, have a plaque signed by Mark Shuttleworth acknowledgin…

The answer, which is far more practical these days, given the proliferation of computers, is setup netconsole (to an RPi?), and get debug messages out of the kernel, assuming the crashed aren't MCE errors that are logged to bios and reported on bootup. The other bit to rail against, is closed source drivers and blobs. They'll crash the kernel, and debugging those are basically impossible.

While I agree with this, and I will end up troubleshooting the issue and figuring it out this week, it kinda proves my point. I would not need something like this in macOS.

On the other hand, if I did, I don't have the same troubleshooting power I would have with Linux. I guess /u/nkoren is right, computing in 2019 sucks.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jamesponddotco »

alexis_fr wrote: post #529
jamesponddotco wrote: post #432

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Been using macOS and Ubuntu for years now, and while I try to make Ubuntu my primary operating system so I can ditch my slow MacBook Air 2018, I always end up going back to it. Look, I love Ubuntu. Heck, I am a recognized Ubuntu Member, was the leader of the LoCo Team for my country for a while, helped a few universities in my state switch to Ubuntu from Windows, have a plaque signed by Mark Shuttleworth acknowledgin…

What do you think about PopOS, based on Ubuntu, from System76, seems like they’ve polished it, haven’t they?

Haven't checked it out yet, it is on my to-do list though — that and PureOS, from Purism.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vbezhenar »

dkonofalski wrote: post #423
ufmace wrote: post #411

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Apple seems to love doing this too. It's just great when it decides to update iMovie and iTunes, huge apps which I have never used, when your battery is at 30% and you're on a terrible WiFi connection. It's hard to tell that the update is in progress at all, and seemingly impossible to stop. Took me a while to figure out how to remove the apps I never intend to use and disable auto-updates for the ones I do use. It c…

>Took me a while to figure out how to remove the apps I never intend to use It took you a while to figure out how to drag an app to the trash in the same way that deleting any other file works? =/

Can you write uninstaller hooks to run when users draps app in the trash to remove caches and other stuff? I was embarassed by the fact that most applications in macs do not have uninstallers and their trash left around the system.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vbezhenar »

erikbye wrote: post #278
darrmit wrote: post #195

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I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Regarding Windows update cycle, you have the option of using LTSC, pausing updates for up to 35 days (yes, that's a built-in option now), or adjust update settings with GPO.

How can I obtain LTSC legally for reasonable price?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by fragmede »

haolez wrote: post #473
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I’m a long time Linux user and I’ve recently switched to a Chromebook (I wanted a huge batter life). I intended to install Linux on it, but ChromeOS is very mature nowadays and it supports both Android and Linux apps (even graphic ones, like VSCode). I’m sticking to it for now. The experience is incredibly polished.

Chromebooks are "Linux" depending on which definition of Linux you want to use, and getting a Linux environment with some root access is possible without disabling Google's code signing - a VM is run, where you have root, with all the overhead that implies. (I hear it's fine when running on powerful hardware, but it's a bad time on cheap Chromebooks.) It's not really root, eg, you can't change the wifi MAC address of the host. (Yes, it's 2019, and I still find myself doing that. Yes it's stupid.) You can disable the code signing and get true root, without having to fully go in and install a desktop Linux, with all that implies (positive and negative). There's a boot screen that can be disabled but that requires opening up the hardware.

It's certainly nice, and a viable option these days, but I wanted to give caveats, as it's imperfect. I used to be a Thinkpad person (I miss my trackpoint dearly) but I'm on a Chromebook these days.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by thedaemon »

drclau wrote: post #495
esotericn wrote: post #389

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Right. So use Mac, and go for a nice walk outside whenever something pisses you off that is unmodifiable. You have the free time since you're not tinkering, right? :P

You assume that everyone wants to modify everything (or the unmodifiable, as you put it). After going through many years of FreeBSD and Linux, I now just want things to work. Mac gives me that. Should have switched sooner.

Everyone here saying that they used to tweak everything and now doesn't has just aged. You no longer feel the joy of your youth of computing in the same way. This is natural.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by diffeomorphism »

ubermonkey wrote: post #462
diffeomorphism wrote: post #292

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1. "Works for me" is not an argument. 2. Not the argument made. 3. "Works for me" is not an argument. 4. Not the argument made.

As predicted, the anti-Apple contingent, and right on time -- and with exactly the sort of paper-thin rebuttal I was expecting, too. 1. The argument he made was "plugging an external projector will most likely not work." All that is necessary to disprove this is to show examples where it does work. I do that all the time, in a variety of locations with a variety of ages and brands of projectors and monitors, and neve…

>All that is necessary to disprove this is to show examples where it does work.

No, the opposite of "likely won't" is definitely not "sometimes will". And your other descriptions are not even close to what is written in the article.

I don't care one way or the other about the complaints raised (and of course they are exaggerated, it is supposed to be humorous), but you are discussing stuff nobody said.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by thedaemon »

deltron3030 wrote: post #519
boudewijnrempt wrote: post #420

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And if you use the Apple toolkits, you lose around 95% of your potential market. For my project, Krita, made with Qt (not QT, Qt...), 90% of downloads are Windows, 7% Linux, 3% macOS. And since Apple seems hell-bent on making people share-croppers in their walled garden with asinine things like Metal, and notarizing and all that, well, in a year or two, it might be 0%, and I'll be fine with that.

Many digital painters seem to have moved to the iPad and apps like Procreate which can be had for a few bucks. I also find eInk hardware like the Remarkable tablet and the like interesting, they run on Linux. Have you thought about a standalone tablet that runs only Krita? Even if it's only black/white, having the tools from Krita on a device like that would be killer.

Procreate is really nice, I have moved on from Wacom Tablet/Krita to iPad Pro/Procreate. I suggest any artist give it a try.
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