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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by throw501 »

machello13 wrote: post #294
drunner wrote: post #280

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Literally every day I come to work I have to fiddle with my usb-c to hdmi connector (yes, I replaced it once). Not to mention a bunch of other weird things, like relocking 10 seconds after I login occasionally and having to restart so my headphone jack works (2017 macbook pro). I have relatively other complaints (keyboard, dongles) as a first time mac user, but weird stuff like the above does remind me of past linux…

I think part of the problem is rose-colored glasses. macOS definitely has bugs today. The question is, is it actually any worse than it was 12 years ago (in what was probably the Mac's heyday in terms of attention from Apple)? I'm not sure it is.

It's interesting you say 12 years ago -- 12 years ago was Leopard which according to Apple, contained over 300 changes / enhancements.

That is similar to Catalina with its too many new untested features.

Then they fixed the bugs in Snow Leopard.

The severity of Catalina's bugs are much greater than Snow Leopard. For example, there is now simultaneously a Mail deletion bug and iCloud bug to ruin your data across all machines.

Catalina needs a Snow Catalina.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by esotericn »

taurath wrote: post #338
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

I tend to feel like there’s already enough roadblocks in the way to get things done. I used to tinker around with my OSs but now I want them out of the way to a large extent.

Unfortunately no-one provides what I consider to be a sane default.

I'm fairly happy with what I have. I add the odd alias to my dotfiles and a few things I pick up but for the most part I've had my config for half a decade or so now.

By contrast I could never figure out how to like, get Windows to fuck off with the telemetry ads bullshit. It always felt like I would disable it and then behind my back some randoservice would enable it again or install an update that brings back OneDrive or some madness.

The best bit about my Linux setup is that it's all just files. Home folder, few flat text files with the odd bit of json, we're home.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by newscracker »

puranjay wrote: post #322
jonwinstanley wrote: post #264

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I grew up using Windows and after 20 years switched to Mac and could not believe I had waited for so long. What parts of Windows do you prefer over MacOS?

I use both Windows and Mac. I find Windows file management and window management to be much better. Love the preview you get when you hover over an app icon in the taskbar. Also love how windows don't automatically take up the entire screen. I like to have two windows open simultaneously. This is much smoother on Windows than Mac. I also prefer Windows' taskbar instead of Mac's dock. The negative is changing preferen…

> The negative is changing preferences...

Windows is so poorly designed that I still wonder why there's Settings as well as Control Panel offering mostly the same settings, and old settings dialogs from Windows XP or Windows 2000 are still around!

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by llimllib »

llimllib wrote: post #329
harshitaneja wrote: post #318

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Which version of gnome are you on? >No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) I just checked gnome settings and it has option to change touchpad speed. Don't have a mouse so can't comment for that but it should be there. >To make an icon on the favorites bar i…

> Which version of gnome are you on? 3.24 I think? whatever the ubuntu beta is using. > I just checked gnome settings and it has option to change touchpad speed. Don't have a mouse so can't comment for that but it should be there. I can assure you it is not edit to add issue link: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/3... > Open the app and right click the app icon in dock(if that is what you me…

The thread of responses from the Wayland issue tracker about why "allowing the user to change the scroll speed" is an impossible problem to solve is truly depressing: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/issues/87

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by computerex »

newscracker wrote: post #337
llimllib wrote: post #240

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I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

I had a somewhat similar experience with Linux on an old Mac mini a few years ago. Too many things had to be fiddled with using config files and scripts. I had to resort to using a Magic Trackpad like a regular mouse. There was quite a bit missing "out of the box". I will admit that Linux has improved a lot over the years. But I find that macOS seems to be the one with a "batteries included" experience and is the lea…

I think the one annoying thing about Windows is the forced updates. Apple has started taking a leaf from Windows. A few weeks ago my system updated and asked to restart without giving me any choice of saying no.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by sounds »

machello13 wrote: post #294
drunner wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally every day I come to work I have to fiddle with my usb-c to hdmi connector (yes, I replaced it once). Not to mention a bunch of other weird things, like relocking 10 seconds after I login occasionally and having to restart so my headphone jack works (2017 macbook pro). I have relatively other complaints (keyboard, dongles) as a first time mac user, but weird stuff like the above does remind me of past linux…

I think part of the problem is rose-colored glasses. macOS definitely has bugs today. The question is, is it actually any worse than it was 12 years ago (in what was probably the Mac's heyday in terms of attention from Apple)? I'm not sure it is.

Mid-2014 Macbook Pro user reporting in.

This Macbook Pro has an actual keyboard, magsafe power port, continues to function great, works great with external monitors (HDMI port). Other than feeling squeezed for RAM and that the CPU isn't the fastest anymore, it was well worth the purchase price.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mikestew »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

Windows 10 works marginally better. Both remain vastly inferior to MacOs.

That's where I'm stuck. We're all-in at our house on Apple stuff. I'm no Windows hater per se, hell, I used to work at Microsoft and my wife still does. And there was a time that I'd say about Mac OS: "this is what an operating system should be". Oh, you most certainly disagree, but bear with me. I don't say that anymore. Too much half-assed shit, and yada yada, no need to repeat it here; macOS ain't what it used to be. But what else am I going to use? I keep rootin' for Linux, but every time I boot one of my VMs, well, it ain't replacing macOS just yet. Windows (at least the NT variants) when I worked for MSFT was a perfectly servicable operating system. It wasn't Unix, but it was better than classic Mac OS, and pretty damned solid. But I have to use Windows 10 at work now, and I fucking hate it. Again, no need to repeat it all here, I just do.

Yeah, Mac hardware sucks, too. I guess when my 2012 retina dies, I'll have to...oh, wait a minute, I'm still plugging away on a seven year old laptop? That I've dragged all over God's creation and use daily? Still as functional as the day I bought it? I dunno, will I find a better alternative come replacement time? Or has the quality of everything else gone down, too? I know, I know, X1 Carbon, XPS; but then my gut seems to think that I hear just as much complaining about those, too.

So in truth, when the 2012 MBP dies, I have no idea what I'm going to do to replace it.

EDIT: thanks, folks. Don't know why I hadn't considered used 2015. If a 2012 is fine, I ought to be tickled with a 2015, right? :-)

Sidenote: "which listed the magical indentation that purges reserved space." Unless you're using Python, I think the author wants to replace "indentation" with "incantation".

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by spiralx »

mschaef wrote: post #306
jonwinstanley wrote: post #264

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I grew up using Windows and after 20 years switched to Mac and could not believe I had waited for so long. What parts of Windows do you prefer over MacOS?

> What parts of Windows do you prefer over MacOS? I grew up using Windows (since Windows/386) and switched to OSX about ten years ago. For whatever it's worth, I still can't get used to window management or keyboard shortcuts on the Mac. (The Windows key turned into a really nice addition to an already well thought out set of Windows/CUA bindings, while OSX is still caught between its MacOS <10 and NeXTStep heritages…

The one time I had to use MacOS I managed to get something tolerable after spending a lot of time in Karabiner, but the keyboard controls were just incomplete and inconsistent and there wasn't any way around it.

Let's not even get into Finder and how awful it is in so many ways.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by bluedino »

kn100 wrote: post #211
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

W.r.t your hidpi/non-hidpi issue - a 'proper' solution is slowly making its way out of the woodwork. Wayland apparently will allow us to solve this problem, but in the meantime here's my solution if it'll help you. I have a 4k dell xps 13 and a 2k monitor. I have this script set up to run on boot. https://gist.github.com/kn100/7193667d393fcf34d4d5c6c359a695... What this does is it forces your internal display to run…

The gripe is coming from the fact that Apple had this fixed in 2012.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by derefr »

Spooky23 wrote: post #296
erikbye wrote: post #278

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Regarding Windows update cycle, you have the option of using LTSC, pausing updates for up to 35 days (yes, that's a built-in option now), or adjust update settings with GPO.

You’re always fighting upstream that way. Even at a massive enterprise with a 9 figure account relationship with Microsoft, they just won’t fix issues after a few weeks of release. The product groups will rope a dope you until you hit some product cycle milestone and then tell you to fuck off. The company has laid off or reallocated everyone and moved them to Azure. It’s Windows latest or bust. Since Apple is a shits…

I mean, the GP and most people who hear "fighting the Windows update cycle" assume you mean "fighting against being forced to interrupt your work and reboot to update" (the constant complain among Windows users) rather than something about intentionally avoiding new versions of the OS.

If you were an OS company and it were possible to force everyone to be running on master (and thereby not have any security vulnerabilities), wouldn't you, too?

But even then, this isn't true:

> It’s Windows latest or bust

Windows IoT Core is pretty stable. Wouldn't want your ATM or billboard rebooting every night. There are folks at Microsoft who remember how to do LTS software. They just don't think it's a good idea in a consumer product.

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