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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by esotericn »

llimllib wrote: post #240
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared.

I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind.

You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been years since I last used it.

If apt is out of date that's probably because you're using a stable rather than rolling release distro.

All of this requires some research and tinkering. If you're me, you prefer research to being told what to do.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by diffeomorphism »

ubermonkey wrote: post #226

Wow, this article is bad -- like, literally WRONG on nearly every boldfaced point. 1. "External monitors don't work". Wrong. I present often, and frequently use hotel projectors or monitors. I've never had a problem connecting to a monitor. 2. "You can only install software from the App Store". Wrong. Software installation is simple. Sure, you can use the App Store, but you absolutely do not have to. 3. "Only a limit…

1. "Works for me" is not an argument.

2. Not the argument made.

3. "Works for me" is not an argument.

4. Not the argument made.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by computerex »

llimllib wrote: post #240
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

Everything you have listed is solvable by using a different distribution/desktop environment. You can use something like Manjaro to get really up to date software, and it comes with different desktop environment flavors like Cinnamon. I think a more modern desktop environment would suit you best, and I highly recommend Cinnamon.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by machello13 »

drunner wrote: post #280
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Literally every day I come to work I have to fiddle with my usb-c to hdmi connector (yes, I replaced it once). Not to mention a bunch of other weird things, like relocking 10 seconds after I login occasionally and having to restart so my headphone jack works (2017 macbook pro). I have relatively other complaints (keyboard, dongles) as a first time mac user, but weird stuff like the above does remind me of past linux…

I think part of the problem is rose-colored glasses. macOS definitely has bugs today. The question is, is it actually any worse than it was 12 years ago (in what was probably the Mac's heyday in terms of attention from Apple)? I'm not sure it is.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by erikbye »

machello13 wrote: post #290
erikbye wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is macOS any better? Default macOS, without third-party software. Does vanilla macOS even have keyboard-based window management yet? Does it still have weird modals where you're forced to use the mouse to select an option?

> Does it still have weird modals where you're forced to use the mouse to select an option? I don't think I've ever encountered a modal like this. Not with "Use keyboard navigation to move focus between controls" turned on. By keyboard-based window management you mean being able to tile windows? That can be added with a third-party app pretty easily, but I think it's much a much less fundamental problem than those po…

So that answers my question? You still, in 2019, cannot even move a window/app on the desktop in vanilla macOS using your keyboard?

That, to me, is crazy. How can a company with the resources of Apple not implement this basic feature? Simply the equivalent of Windows' win + arrow keys would be a huge improvement.

I know third party software offers such features and more, I am simply not interested, some are even paid software. I need no such software with Windows or the Linux DEs I use.

Besides, it's just one example of crazy things missing from macOS.

> but I think it's much a much less fundamental problem than those pointed out in Linux.

What fundamental problems?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Spooky23 »

erikbye wrote: post #278
darrmit wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Regarding Windows update cycle, you have the option of using LTSC, pausing updates for up to 35 days (yes, that's a built-in option now), or adjust update settings with GPO.

You’re always fighting upstream that way.

Even at a massive enterprise with a 9 figure account relationship with Microsoft, they just won’t fix issues after a few weeks of release. The product groups will rope a dope you until you hit some product cycle milestone and then tell you to fuck off.

The company has laid off or reallocated everyone and moved them to Azure. It’s Windows latest or bust. Since Apple is a shitshow with Mac and Google is too mercurial to rely on, dumpster fire is the new normal.

If you can do it, the smart money right now is to invest in iOS and watch Chrome.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by dean177 »

erikbye wrote: post #267
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

How is macOS any better? Default macOS, without third-party software. Does vanilla macOS even have keyboard-based window management yet? Does it still have weird modals where you're forced to use the mouse to select an option?

> Does vanilla macOS even have keyboard-based window management yet?

For anyone struggling with this, Spectacle is free and open source: https://www.spectacleapp.com

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by diffeomorphism »

jcbrand wrote: post #29

Linux 2000: There is only One True Way of installing software: using distro packages. If you do anything else you are bad and you should feel bad. This isn't true. People have been running `./configure && make && make install` since long before 2000 and long after 2000 as well. Also, IIRC "alien" already existed in 2000, letting you install packages packaged for other distros (e.g. installing rpm on Debian). Linux 20…

Why isn't this true? Of course you can do "anything else", the claim is that you are generally advised to not do that, e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian (point 1.3)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by alwillis »

By default, files that you delete, even after emptying the Trash, stick around for 30 days, incase you change your mind.

You can change that behavior if you want or you can delete the files by:

1. Select About this Mac from the Apple menu

2. Click on the Storage tab

3. Click on the Manage… button

4. Click on the Trash icon

You can now delete the files permanently.

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