An effective razor for what I presume will be a lively discussion here:
Your first amendment rights don’t compel a private sector company to host your speech, or require them to accept your ad dollars for your message
TikTok explains its ban on political advertising
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#32Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. As a side note, I wish there was less exposure to political opinion in general. I think there's a problem in how a single celeb, or a close friend talking about their political views can be so influential. Not because they've made a particularly good argument, but because that person is trusted or looked up to. I often wonder how we would vote if we were…
> Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. How can society change for the better if you can't communicate and try to convince people of your ideas in the public space? If you see a problem and think you have a (political) solution, you should be able to advertize your solution. There is a de-facto ban on political advertizing (or "worldview" advertizing) in Germany, and it is really frustrating.…
In America you get a voter packet with detailed information on the Candidate's position on key issues, plans, etc. To me this is far superior to a 30s ad clip produced by some marketing agency that specializes in being hip for college students.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How can society change for the better if you can't communicate and try to convince people of your ideas in the public space? If you see a problem and think you have a (political) solution, you should be able to advertize your solution. It increase impact of money. Who have more money more likely to win.
What if we require that every $1 spent by someone on a political ad must also be balanced by a $1 subsidy for the opponents' ads? Seems fair to me and would reduce the impact of money. (I'm sorry but I forgot who proposed this idea.)
How do you determine the ‘opponent’? If I want to argue against racism which racists do you give the money to? Just any racist in the street? Some organised racist group? Which one? What if my obvious opponent denies they’re racist are they still entitled to the money?
Re: TikTok explains its ban on political advertising
#34An effective razor for what I presume will be a lively discussion here: Your first amendment rights don’t compel a private sector company to host your speech, or require them to accept your ad dollars for your message
No but American ideals may. It's not all about 'what's the legal minimum they can get away with'. Hopefully its not just about that.
As a platform hosting media, it's not clear what their editorial latitude is, or should be.
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#35Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. As a side note, I wish there was less exposure to political opinion in general. I think there's a problem in how a single celeb, or a close friend talking about their political views can be so influential. Not because they've made a particularly good argument, but because that person is trusted or looked up to. I often wonder how we would vote if we were…
It wouldn't change.
Most people's political views are molded by first their parents, then by their social circles. We're an "average" of the people we hang around with. It's extremely rare for someone to be an outlier in political views. Not saying it's impossible, but it always takes effort. Most people don't like "effort". Most people don't even vote. Their opinions normally only exist as empty words.
As much as political advertising sucks, I have to agree it should still happen. Finding ways to squash political opinion, good or bad, has unintended consequences. It's not like "politics" is a new thing. It's always been a talking point. Whether at home, work or the market square with someone on a literal soap box (where the term comes from).
Re: TikTok explains its ban on political advertising
#36Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. As a side note, I wish there was less exposure to political opinion in general. I think there's a problem in how a single celeb, or a close friend talking about their political views can be so influential. Not because they've made a particularly good argument, but because that person is trusted or looked up to. I often wonder how we would vote if we were…
> Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion.
That's a dictator's wet dream.
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#37Maybe next they can explain their ban on a Winnie the Pooh memes?
Re: TikTok explains its ban on political advertising
#38Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. As a side note, I wish there was less exposure to political opinion in general. I think there's a problem in how a single celeb, or a close friend talking about their political views can be so influential. Not because they've made a particularly good argument, but because that person is trusted or looked up to. I often wonder how we would vote if we were…
You might find the BBC documentary “The Century of the Self” interesting. It’s a four part series and the first episode is a little slow but I found it really interesting to see how quickly businesses and politicians learned to influence the masses.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. How can society change for the better if you can't communicate and try to convince people of your ideas in the public space? If you see a problem and think you have a (political) solution, you should be able to advertize your solution. There is a de-facto ban on political advertizing (or "worldview" advertizing) in Germany, and it is really frustrating.…
Advertising allows relatively cheap, very low effort, access to mass manipulation of a population. If people had to actually effort to share knowledge - as we evolved to having to do, to excel at story telling to pass on knowledge through generations - then that cost would prevent the kind of rapid indoctrination and rallying people based on hate, emotional and irrational thinking - thought that hasn't been checked w…
This. All ads present a very one sided story, for products this is fine as you would need to pay for it, hence the negative consideration. For a political opinion it’s just there to influence and appeal to inherent bias in the direction of the ad.
Re: TikTok explains its ban on political advertising
#40Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. As a side note, I wish there was less exposure to political opinion in general. I think there's a problem in how a single celeb, or a close friend talking about their political views can be so influential. Not because they've made a particularly good argument, but because that person is trusted or looked up to. I often wonder how we would vote if we were…
> Political advertising should be banned entirely in my opinion. How can society change for the better if you can't communicate and try to convince people of your ideas in the public space? If you see a problem and think you have a (political) solution, you should be able to advertize your solution. There is a de-facto ban on political advertizing (or "worldview" advertizing) in Germany, and it is really frustrating.…
> How can society change for the better if you can't communicate and try to convince people of your ideas in the public space?
There is a difference between marketing and advertising thats not being recognised.
Marketing is the process of promoting an idea or group, not advertising.
Advertising is one of the channels used in marketing, it's the most expensive and reaches the most people, it's the ideal channel for propaganda.
If you banned political marketing then yes you would effectively ban promoting political ideals all together.
However if you ban political advertising you can effectively limit propaganda with little to no negative side effects to grass roots political movements. This is because grass roots politics use other marketing channels and don't have the budget to be able to compete with the propaganda budget of a foreign government.
Even if grass roots did have the money to advertise other channels like social and word of mouth are more effective for them, banning political advertising would still work in their favour.