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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

Can’t we just admit all three major OS’s suck badly for various reasons? Why do we need to pick winners when they all have major usability issues?

* Apple and Microsoft don’t care about your needs at all and provide no route to changing or fixing the software you use. If you aren’t a large corporation you’re nobody. They will NEVER ask your needs but tell you them.

* BSD/Linux with X11 is still working to catch up with basic Windows usability and may already be a suitable replacement for you, but if you want changes they will take years for the community to invest in.

* There are no other options for getting work done.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Aperocky »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I’ve seen people use Dell XPS, but the huge bottom bezel and lack of macs touchpad threw me off. At this point, it seem like the only selling point of Apple being it’s touchpad. And even everyone knows it there doesn’t seem to be anyone catching up. I even managed to play Diablo 2 with just touchpad.

I really don’t like the direction apple is heading though, starting with the pointless touchbar. I hope some day other company can create a touchpad rivaling Mac and Linux push a patch that can make use of that touchpad in the same way/same quality that Mac does

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

pmlnr wrote: post #42

/me gets popcorn out Apple people will be outraged about this post, even if it's mostly a joke. My conclusion from it is that there are difficult topics, and, apparently, changing standards fast is not helping at all. (DisplayPort was finally more or less working, but sure, swap to another display outlet... and the same for a lot of things). There is no time to build systems (hw or sw, or god forbid, the two together…

Idk, macs are pretty close to worry-free hardware interactions. It’s a plug and forget system. Maybe windows is too by now.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by gpvos »

lelf wrote: post #16

> After a ton more googling I believe the author is exaggerating it a little bit. Local time machine snapshots are not arcane secret knowledge (man 8 tmutil).

You first have to know that something like those snapshots exists, otherwise you won't look at tmutil. The author may not have very good Google-Fu.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

consp wrote: post #113
gmac wrote: post #5

Apple 2019: if your problem is not google-trivial, there's nothing you can do. Calling Apple's tech support line does not help, because they will just type your problem description into Google and read the first hit. Really? My experience of calling Apple tech support (to troubleshoot something to do with Messages on my Mac) was that they were surprisingly well-informed, and they fixed my issue with approximately zer…

> is-it-turned-on? Is not nonsense as most simple problems are caused by simple mistakes. Don't reflect your experience with computers and tools to the average user's experience.

Uhh it’s an extremely stupid question if they’re asking for support about a word processor bug visible on screen. Blindly defending arbitrary practices out of context is stupid. Stop doing it.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Annatar wrote: post #187

"Linux 2000: There is only One True Way of installing software: using distro packages. If you do anything else you are bad and you should feel bad." That is absolutely correct and if one is installing software in any other way than packaging it into an OS package, one is hacking in the worst possible, amateurish way, with the added bonus that every experienced UNIX system administrator will hate one's guts come time…

People like you are the reason Linux is not and will likely never be a good Desktop OS. It should not require an army of maintainers, repos, and all that bullshit just to get software from developer to user.

Thankfully there is AppImage. Now if only more developers would distribute that way.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by juped »

Torwald wrote: post #93
juped wrote: post #50

I will say that Mac OS is incredibly disk-hungry (and MBPs get vastly more expensive when you add options like bigger (still not that big) disks). I don't want to become a Mac OS hobbyist and figure out how this happens (I like Mac OS overall because it's a BSD and I'm a BSD guy, but it is not my hobby BSD of choice) so I ended up just spending a few bucks on some "cleaner" program that purged a surprisingly huge amo…

What is wrong with using a lot of disk? If apps start faster, run faster, then using more disk is a good trade-off.

- they don't start or run faster

- to borrow another commenter's words, I'm tied to an expensive fixed-size SSD that I can't upgrade (fortunately, I don't have 4k videos; unfortunately, I have too many d----d VM snapshots and the like)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by stas2k »

rwmj wrote: post #141
stuaxo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mine, is that my using my soundcard could randomly freeze my machine needing a reset.

Most likely to be a driver (or even hardware) bug. I had a SB AWE32 card which would do that, and I even hacked on the driver for a while to try to diagnose it before concluding the soundcard was probably taking PCI bus master and never releasing it, not really something that Linux could do anything about. It's possible that the equivalent Windows driver - which didn't crash - had a secret workaround to prevent it fr…

Creative was notorious for having chipset-specific PCI bus master issues even on Windows. The only way to fix it was to disable bus master, and that is what Creative drivers did on Windows.

On Linux you were expected to be a grown boy and do it yourself in the BIOS.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tsuraan »

darrmit wrote: post #221
computerex wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried using tlp/powertop? I'd say my battery life is pretty comparable to Windows after having done some optimizations using aforementioned tools.

I have not, but will check it out. My problem is I love the idea of being able to tinker and get to a super stable, lovable mobile Linux setup, but I just don't have time right now. Maybe someday. :)

It's not much tinkering at all. Once you've installed powertop (probably just "dnf install powertop" or "apt install powertop", or whatever your favorite flavour is), you can just run "sudo powertop --auto-tune"[0]. If you do like to tinker, you could maybe write your own init script to run that on boot, but your distro probably included one already.

0 - https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-powertop/

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Pizzaputer »

kn100 wrote: post #211
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

W.r.t your hidpi/non-hidpi issue - a 'proper' solution is slowly making its way out of the woodwork. Wayland apparently will allow us to solve this problem, but in the meantime here's my solution if it'll help you. I have a 4k dell xps 13 and a 2k monitor. I have this script set up to run on boot. https://gist.github.com/kn100/7193667d393fcf34d4d5c6c359a695... What this does is it forces your internal display to run…

This is insane. I thought issues like these were solved problems ? Is there no distro/display server that just works for a setup such as this?
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