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Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
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Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your solution to this is just to look at the world through rose tinted glasses?
the GP solution puzzles me too. i don't want this to be the solution. i wear glasses and my eyes are already damaged and now i need to filter out the color blue? what about we start making better monitors and screens instead?
My anecdote: I got glasses this year specifically to counteract astigmatism related to the past 20 years of looking at screens for 8+ hours/day. I was beginning to get headaches every day from working. I didn't even know my eyesight was suffering until someone suggested I go get an exam.
When I saw the blue-light filter option, I jumped at it because I knew I'd be spending most of my time wearing glasses looking at a computer screen anyway.
The blue filter they treat lenses with is very mild, though. It's maybe a 20% reduction. I now wear the glasses all the time even though I don't really need to, and the filter isn't noticeable at all.
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#43Interesting however there is data going back to the 1920's about changing lighting at work (Taylor I think) that shows that the very fact of changing light levels improved output. However when the changed the lighting levels back output improved again. It looks to me this is based on poorly designed studies, the including of trigger words like "kids" "iPad" is a bit of a red flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect
Thank you that is the guy who I was thinking of - its a long time since I did my production engineering courses.
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#44I've had insomnia for as long as I can remember and wish there was another culture about sleep. I saw this documentary about the Institute of Advanced Study (IAS) wherein a physicist was staying awake for 48 hours so he can focus on his work. The IAS is famous for hiring the best scientists and letting them work on whatever they want. I am not a genius like him but I wish I could use my restlessness to my advantage a…
I had medically diagnosed insomnia for a period. If your insomnia is anything like mine then you'd have a decent idea about if you're going to sleep that night or not. If it's 1am and I'm still wide awake then I'm not getting quality sleep that night. What do you have to lose by going to your PC at that time and working for 6 hours before work? You're going to be tired tomorrow anyway any attempting to sleep for anot…
> medically diagnosed insomnia
What is the difference between this and just regular insomnia.
Did you have sleep studies done?
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#45Has anyone tested bright indoor lighting and its effect on their own sleep. I have some LED studio lights for video work by my desk all the time. I'm wondering if I should just turn them on while I work each morning. From what I can tell: 1. LEDs won't cause sunburn/skin damage 2. There's no blue light risk of them if they're not rates above a certain level of light output and you don't stare directly at them. I have…
I bought a huge 10,000 lux lamp that was supposed to emit similar wavelengths to daylight because I found myself to be a bit sleepy during winters all day long. That one managed to "wake me up" and I ended up as productive as in summer. Some people also use it to alleviate their seasonal depression (never had that). I have it illuminating my workspace behind my back. I believe our eyes have some special "wake up" rec…
Interesting. Why behind rather than in front? And which type did you get?
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#46Has anyone tested bright indoor lighting and its effect on their own sleep. I have some LED studio lights for video work by my desk all the time. I'm wondering if I should just turn them on while I work each morning. From what I can tell: 1. LEDs won't cause sunburn/skin damage 2. There's no blue light risk of them if they're not rates above a certain level of light output and you don't stare directly at them. I have…
LEDs could still have all the same issues, it depends on the LED and it's particular output spectrum and the energies for each wavelength. I would check all that before concluding they would be good or bad.
Which same issues - do you mean some LEDs emit UV?
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#47This study mentions blue light as from smartphones as a problem. My phone has a blue light filter which I have on all the time. Linux gnome desktop also has one for late night coding sessions.
f.lux is awesome - it's been around for many years, and is free. Available for Linux, Mac, iOS, Android, and Windows! https://justgetflux.com/
iOS and OS X has Night Shift, which is native implementation of the same idea.
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your solution to this is just to look at the world through rose tinted glasses?
the GP solution puzzles me too. i don't want this to be the solution. i wear glasses and my eyes are already damaged and now i need to filter out the color blue? what about we start making better monitors and screens instead?
That would be great. When they're done replacing every screen in existence, if they could replace all lightbulbs in places people visit during the evening with warmer bulbs (hotels, common spaces, street lights, etc), the lights in all the new car dashboards, everyone's headlights, every cheap piece of electronics that's covered with blue status LEDs...
Or you can just filter out some of the light right in front of your eyes and achieve a workable solution today.
As an added bonus, I think you'll find it actually reduces your eye issues. Tried out the filtering basically because I couldn't think of a reason not to and the first time I put the new glasses on it felt like I'd stopped squinting and relaxed my eyes for the first time in years. I get way fewer eye-strain induced headaches now.
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can solve this globally by getting eye glasses that filter blue light as long as you're not doing any sort of colour-sensitive work. After a day or two you don't notice the colour difference anymore.
Your solution to this is just to look at the world through rose tinted glasses?
Not sure if joking, but in case you're not familiar with the product... more like light-brown tinted?
It only blocks some small-ish percentage of the blue light. Really roughly, I could describe it as replacing flourescent bulbs with some warm LED bulbs on your entire vision. Just a very light warm tinge to everything.
I stopped noticing it about 20 minutes after putting the glasses with the filtering on. Now I don't know how I lived without it. If I take my glasses off and try and look at my computer screen I feel like I need to squint it's so harsh.
Re: Why office workers can't sleep and why that's bad
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
LEDs could still have all the same issues, it depends on the LED and it's particular output spectrum and the energies for each wavelength. I would check all that before concluding they would be good or bad.
Which same issues - do you mean some LEDs emit UV?
They (usually) don't, but they do have a peak at blue frequencies[0].
