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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jwr »

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Though I am not a "condescending elitist hipster latte drinker" (or at least I hope I am not), I agree with most of OPs sentiments. I would like to see Apple invest more into making sure their stuff "just works", because that's why I use their systems: they are the least-crappy of anything that is out there today.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by bluegreyred »

esotericn wrote: post #120

Well, no, it's not the Linux of 2000, it's worse than that, because it's closed source. The GNU/Linux (e.g. the ecosystem) of 2019 is really fantastic. It keeps on getting better, and better, and better. There may be a few missteps, maybe you don't like GNOME 3, but you can still use Xfce, or KDE, or LXDE, or i3 or whatever else if you want, no-one is stopping you. By contrast, if Apple or Microsoft update the OS and…

As somebody on a 2015 15" MBP looking to make the switch, how do you deal with things like Word/Excel documents or updating the firmware of IOT things (not mine but those of relatives) that only offer proprietary Windows and Mac updaters/installers? Do you just spin up a KVM and pass through USB, or use a separate computer?

These edge cases (and the uneasy feeling that there are many others that I won't discover until I make the switch) are the main reasons holding me back at the moment. The lack of interoperability because Linux is not an established consumer OS (yet).

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by randallsquared »

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination.

Last year I had a lot of problems with this. It was pretty common[1] that USB-C to HDMI cables would work at first and then stop working in a particular port. Sometimes rebooting helped. Sometimes swapping the cable for another in the same port helped. Sometimes using another port immediately helped. There was never a good explanation for why this was happening; most resources blamed the cables. After some software update last year, suddenly all these bad cables are fine in any port.

As of this summer, there's a shiny new issue where connecting to GMail (at least) from System Preferences doesn't work, which I discovered through changing my password recently. SysPref claims it needs to open a Google login in Safari (even though that isn't my system browser!), but when Safari opens, it's to a blank page. Again, searching makes this seem like a pretty well-known problem, but no one has a solution, and Apple seems silent on it, and enough people do not have the problem that a common response is that those of us experiencing the issue must be doing or have done something wrong. And maybe we are(!), but I'd sure like to know what.

> 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Store and work with them 1-1.

Well, that literally hadn't occurred to me (for problem 2, above); I would have assumed store employees don't know anything one couldn't google immediately?

[1] I was quite annoyed that this went on long enough for me to have an opinion like "pretty common" for these connections not to work sometimes, over more than half a dozen such cables.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by AsyncAwait »

coldtea wrote: post #78

Sorry, the article is BS. > Apple 2019: plugging an external projector will most likely not work." Yeah, no. > Software installation That was not true for Linux in 2000 (alas, I know, I had to manually compile tarballs for all kinds of stuff, and download binaries of others), and is not true for macOS in 2019. Notarization != the app store. > Apple 2019: only a limited number of hardware works out of the box, even fo…

I definitely had problems with external monitors, (not even projectors), being either blurry, using the wrong color profile or not being recognized until some time after I log in, so "Yeah, no" might be the answer you wish was true, but isn't.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by laumars »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #43
ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

Trying to write a non-serious article doesn't give you a free pass to say things like "[linux] fanboys are condescending elitist computer nerds" or that "[Apple] fanboys are condescending elitist hipster latte web site designers". Not that it's illegal, but he shouldn't be surprised if people just dismiss him whatever message he's trying to send just because he seems insufferable.

> Trying to write a non-serious article doesn't give you a free pass to say things like

Yes and no. Technically it's his blog and he can put whatever he wants if he doesn't want people to take him seriously. I'm not saying I agree with his language used but he probably wasn't expecting it to feature on news aggregaters and it's not like internet discussions comparing Apple and Linux are known for being devoid of arguments and heated knee-jerk comments; even without the initial flamebait.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by AsyncAwait »

Grustaf wrote: post #79

Even if this is true, there’s a crucial difference: 90% of what you want to do in MacOS is very simple and works, on 2000 Linux nothing was simple at all. I know because I only used Linux back then.

By around mid-2000s, Mandrake made things reasonably easy, so maybe the headline is a bit too eager in the comparison, but not that far off.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by omegabravo »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #27
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Apple support has always been great in my experience. They’re worth the money.

I dropped my personal Dell laptop (XPS13) and broke the screen. Dell sent a tech to my workplace and repaired it.

No charge.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Hurtak »

Torwald wrote: post #93
juped wrote: post #50

I will say that Mac OS is incredibly disk-hungry (and MBPs get vastly more expensive when you add options like bigger (still not that big) disks). I don't want to become a Mac OS hobbyist and figure out how this happens (I like Mac OS overall because it's a BSD and I'm a BSD guy, but it is not my hobby BSD of choice) so I ended up just spending a few bucks on some "cleaner" program that purged a surprisingly huge amo…

What is wrong with using a lot of disk? If apps start faster, run faster, then using more disk is a good trade-off.

It is good tradeoff, except when you start running out of space, MacOS does not seem to clear the caches when you start running out of space. I have 128GB MacBook Pro and removing the ~/Library/Caches was somewhat regular excercise (it occupies 5-10GB usually) I had to do when I had lots of stuff installed.
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