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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by saagarjha »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #10
deepGem wrote: post #3

"There is only True Way of installing software: using the Apple store. If you do anything else you are bad and you should feel bad." Isn't this sentiment a bit excessive. Homebrew is a perfectly safe and accepted way of installing software.

Will that be affected by the notarization requirements in the future? https://discourse.brew.sh/t/code-signing-installed-executabl...

Homebrew will remain unaffected, since it does not set the quarantine bit on its binaries (which are usually invoked from the terminal anyways). Homebrew Cask opts in to Gatekeeper so it’ll be subject to notarization requirements.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by s_dev »

ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

I'm not remotely convinced by the article. It's clear the author thinks he has clickbait title and just ran an article on it, it's compltely beneath HN, Linux == macOS? Please.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ThalesX »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #43
ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

Trying to write a non-serious article doesn't give you a free pass to say things like "[linux] fanboys are condescending elitist computer nerds" or that "[Apple] fanboys are condescending elitist hipster latte web site designers". Not that it's illegal, but he shouldn't be surprised if people just dismiss him whatever message he's trying to send just because he seems insufferable.

This is not a discussion I intend to extend, especially in the context of this silly article.

I will say that you can write whatever the hell you want on the internet and the reach you'll get will probably be the free pass or not, it's not for you or me to decide.

He can say whatever he wants, people can upvote whatever they want, commenters can comment whatever they want. I'm just trying to justify a viewpoint you could be taking when interacting with this article...

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

jlg23 wrote: post #13

TL;DR: A user is as frustrated with the Apple experience in 2019 as s/he was in 2000 with Linux. Then that user goes on to rant about some things that frustrate him/her, completely ignoring that one is FOSS and by no means a hardware manufacturer while the other is proprietary and primarily a hardware manufacturer.

Spot on. The smugness it takes to compare a paid product that spies on you to a gift from [paid and unpaid] volunteers.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mrtksn »

braindeath wrote: post #34
mrtksn wrote: post #18

Yes but no because it is 2019. It's simply a list of things that Linux sucked at and Apple is now dropping support as it no longer matters or things that affect a very small number of its users. I remember when I tried to use Linux as my desktop operating system because it was up and coming to destroy Windows. >External monitors I don't know how you can have a problem with that. I have a 10gbp dongle from Amazon with…

Right. Because external monitors and installing software are things no longer relevant in 2019.

Plugging a dongle or clicking on a DMG file and dragging an icon is no comparison to fiddling in the terminal following precise commands where mistakes can brick your machine.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mjlee »

crististm wrote: post #38
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Except when you have more than one external monitors and MacOS decides to rearrange them arbitrarily after reconnecting them.

I've found I got this to work reliably when I connected the same monitor to the same port every time. I'm not sure how well other OSes handle this though.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by saagarjha »

jangid wrote: post #14
deepGem wrote: post #3

"There is only True Way of installing software: using the Apple store. If you do anything else you are bad and you should feel bad." Isn't this sentiment a bit excessive. Homebrew is a perfectly safe and accepted way of installing software.

True. It isn't possible to work on Mac without Homebrew. This is exaggeration but true for all practical purposes.

I know a lot of developers who get by fine without Homebrew. Either they use another package manager or they’re happy with downloading applications and packages from the internet and using those.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by vbezhenar »

fabioborellini wrote: post #44
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

So, Apple products should not be used in countries without an Apple Store. Sounds about right.

I'm living in a country without Apple Store. When my Macbook broke, I went to authorized service center. They replaced SSD. It took over a month. So if it would be my work machine, I wouldn't be able to work for over a month. This is just unacceptable.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ratsimihah »

bloke_zero wrote: post #36
ratsimihah wrote: post #21

> Apple 2019: plugging an external projector will most likely not work. Fanboys are very vocal that this is the fault of projector manufacturers for not ensuring that their HW works with every Apple model. Glad I'm not the only one having issues getting my non-antialiased fonts to render properly on external monitors. Crossing fingers for 2020.

Mine was flickering on a Dell external monitor. It didn't happen so much if you had it as the main monitor (i.e. the one the tab-application switcher appeared on). Other wise it would constantly go into power saving mode and then come back on - works fine with Debian!

I guess it shows how proprietary software/hardware hinders speed of development.
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