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Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by slightwinder »

submeta wrote: post #77
slightwinder wrote: post #52

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Handwriting is freeform, while digital gives constraints. With keyboard you can't arrange text and draw stuff as simple as with a pen on paper, most applications don't even support it at all. Stylus is indeed big step in this direction, but still is a tick off. Also with a tablet you tend to suffer from "modern technology"-syndrom, meaning you wanna utilize all the good features now that you have it at your stylus ti…

The problem with digital handwritten notes is: They are more problematic than all the proprietary databases and file formats that we have. Personally I started using the iPadPro with the Apple pencil last christmas. Generated tons of notes with an app called Notability. Soon I realized that my notes are trapped in their proprietary format. Sure, I can export to PDF, but that’s not their database format. I have seen m…

And what is the problem with PDF? Is it missing information from your input?

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Post by z3t4 »

kristiandupont wrote: post #73
z3t4 wrote: post #68

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I tried it, but when viewing in "browser" mode, the entire file is the only item. What am I missing ?

It doesn't automatically fold anything, you do that by selecting some text and folding it. That inserts two comments in your code with tags indicating the start and end of the fold.

I get no fold option when selecting text. There is however a grayed out "unfold" option in Edit menu. I also tried to manually insert the fold comments, but nothing happens.

screenshot: https://johan.webide.se/nofold.png

It might bee too obvious. If it's not too much to ask, could you make a video of how it works ? I'm working on a editor/IDE and would like to get a feel of how it works and how to best implement it, before actually implementing it.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by kristiandupont »

z3t4 wrote: post #82
kristiandupont wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't automatically fold anything, you do that by selecting some text and folding it. That inserts two comments in your code with tags indicating the start and end of the fold.

I get no fold option when selecting text. There is however a grayed out "unfold" option in Edit menu. I also tried to manually insert the fold comments, but nothing happens. screenshot: https://johan.webide.se/nofold.png It might bee too obvious. If it's not too much to ask, could you make a video of how it works ? I'm working on a editor/IDE and would like to get a feel of how it works and how to best implement it,…

I can make a video but I think you can figure it out.

1) CB needs to know the file type because it inserts comments and those need to be of the right kind. So you need to have your file saved first.

2) Select a couple of lines of text, like a function or a class and click "Insert Section" in the edit menu. This will fold the selected text and collapse it to a single line.

3) Click "Child section" in the Go menu while the caret is on the folded line to go into the new section, and "Parent section" to go back.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by lethologica »

mmjaa wrote: post #24

I had the realization yesterday while waiting for a train that the Notes app on iOS contains all the functionality I'd need in order to be able to build a small organization/business .. as long as I standardized my form of note-taking and rigorously applied policies on how Notes are transformed from one Folder to the other - and on what conditions I send the Notes to others using Airdrop. In other words, all I really…

I've thought about this as well and have tried to implement a Zettelkasten in Apple Notes before but couldn't find an easy way to link between notes. Do you know of a solution?

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Post by captaindiego »

apostacy wrote: post #67
kristiandupont wrote: post #42

I must, as I always do, bring up my favorite editor Code Browser which works for this to some degree: http://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ I've been using it for some 15 years and I don't think I will ever leave it. I do wish that other editors (vscode in particular) would adopt its folding style or at least enable it. Doesn't seem promising though ( https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/17904 )

I'd like to let people know about Sublime Zettelkasten[1], which is this really useful module for Sublime that automates searching, linking, and lots of other stuff. There's also a standalone version that is attempting to have the same functionality[2]. [1]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublime_zk [2]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublimeless_zk

I have some minor hacks I've made to sublimeless zk which help it play nice with dark mode in KDE Neon (otherwise the Qt themes get overriden). They're super messy tweaks, but if anyone is interested I'll consider cleaning up and submitting a PR.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by mboehm »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #39
cbau wrote: post #30

I actually was just at a small meetup for people in the SF Bay Area who are building memex's. The Zettelkasten was a common theme in several of the projects people were working on. Here are my notes from the event for anyone interested: http://ceasarbautista.com/posts/memex_meetup_2.html There are a couple projects that came up that were loosely based on the Zettelkasten: - IdeaFlow by Jacob Cole - Roam Research by C…

Cool recap. From your article: > Is there a general interchange format for these systems? I don't understand why none of these people is using RDF. Seems like a perfect technology for a memex.

I guess because they do not have a common memex yet. :-) But yes, RDF should fit very well. As others pointed out already, I also dislike the idea of being locked into a proprietary file format. This should not be a problem using RDF - I guess we all should think about that idea.

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Post by cardiffspaceman »

Cladode wrote: post #75
cardiffspaceman wrote: post #74

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Did you try tags? If you have I'm interested in what you might have to say about them. I liked Gmail originally because it used tabs. I have seldom had an email that was permanently tagged with more than one tag, but I have imagined having files in a filesystem with multiple tags. Bloggers commonly use tags but I don't know if they're successful. On a filesystem where tags were not native, you could implement tags as…

Did you try tags? No. I found that many of my early ideas on how to structure my notes didn't scale, made evolution of my system more difficult. So later I tried not to impose addition structure. Tagging enforces a structure, and how I classify ideas changes over time. What do tags give that grepping words doesn't?

Finally getting around to answering this:

I use a "Travel ideas" tag on emails from cruise lines if they suggest a specific place, time and cost to travel somewhere. Those words aren't in the email. The criteria that qualify the email for the tag are easy to check in a scan of the message but I don't know how I'd grep for them.

I still do searches but for other reasons.

If you wrote a note about a neutrino-hunting instrument at the South Pole, how many searches would it take you to find it later? What about a science station at McMurdo, which is in Antarctica but not at the South Pole?

You could allow yourself to have or not have a line of free association, whose only purpose was to match future searches that would otherwise miss because of how the content was phrased.

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Post by unqueued »

captaindiego wrote: post #85
apostacy wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to let people know about Sublime Zettelkasten[1], which is this really useful module for Sublime that automates searching, linking, and lots of other stuff. There's also a standalone version that is attempting to have the same functionality[2]. [1]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublime_zk [2]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublimeless_zk

I have some minor hacks I've made to sublimeless zk which help it play nice with dark mode in KDE Neon (otherwise the Qt themes get overriden). They're super messy tweaks, but if anyone is interested I'll consider cleaning up and submitting a PR.

Yes, please share!

I have some minor tweaks as well: https://github.com/unqueued/sublime-notelink

I'm making the notelink properly follow zettelkästen links, as well as some other tweaks, so I can use my zettle file alongside my unstructured Markdown wikis.

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Post by mmjaa »

lethologica wrote: post #84
mmjaa wrote: post #24

I had the realization yesterday while waiting for a train that the Notes app on iOS contains all the functionality I'd need in order to be able to build a small organization/business .. as long as I standardized my form of note-taking and rigorously applied policies on how Notes are transformed from one Folder to the other - and on what conditions I send the Notes to others using Airdrop. In other words, all I really…

I've thought about this as well and have tried to implement a Zettelkasten in Apple Notes before but couldn't find an easy way to link between notes. Do you know of a solution?

I don't have a solution - only convention - i.e. the users have to make the process work.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by andreaste »

chrisweekly wrote: post #15

How did I not know about this before now? Excited to dig deeper and make time to give it a try!

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