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Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by woutr_be »

brians wrote: post #112
sekasi wrote: post #111

Again I feel like I'm reaching out to be educated here.. but if Safari is attempting to validate URLs for safe browsing using the Google API (which it states it will do, quite openly), and Google products is quite clearly blocked in China so it resorts to Tencents API (which it states it will do, quite openly).. why does this seem to provoke anger? I mean this in the most equitable way possible, I'm more trying to un…

We can’t tell whether non-China data goes to Tencent—intentionally or by some bug or adversarial problem.

The code [1] along, with this explanation [2] does seem to show that it only happens for devices with the country code set to CN.

[1]: https://github.com/Igalia/webkit/blob/9777baa3db09cad7ed5b2c... [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21242628

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by ottolin »

oarsinsync wrote: post #107
Aperocky wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s entirely against the entirety of Apples modus operandi. It’s always make the user have as little choice as possible and assume that users are idiots. The only exception they made is to developer with cli abilities, and even that they have began to restrict

> assume that the users are idiots Microsoft didn’t make this assumption. Apple did. My entire extended family are now all Apple users. My tech support calls per year can now be counted on one hand. In my extended family, the users are idiots, and thanks to Apple, I’m poorer financially but significantly richer in free time.

That is exactly my experience too. My parents just kept calling me when they were using Android phones. I bought them iPhone to get my free time back.

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by [deleted] »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #106
derefr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP poster is incorrect; the Region setting has nothing to do with setting the region code of the Language setting (each language+region pair being its own listing in Languages.) The Region you choose during initial device setup does determine your default Language region, but you can pick a different one while keeping the same Region. The Region setting in iOS is literally just the question "what Country [or Coun…

This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. It means you want the device to show English as it is used in Great Britain, with extraneous "u"s and rearranged month and day. A user in the US can request that locale instead of en_US if that is the language they prefer. Locale is for localization of the interface, not for telling where you are from. See the Australian English example in https:/…

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Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by saagarjha »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #106
derefr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP poster is incorrect; the Region setting has nothing to do with setting the region code of the Language setting (each language+region pair being its own listing in Languages.) The Region you choose during initial device setup does determine your default Language region, but you can pick a different one while keeping the same Region. The Region setting in iOS is literally just the question "what Country [or Coun…

This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. It means you want the device to show English as it is used in Great Britain, with extraneous "u"s and rearranged month and day. A user in the US can request that locale instead of en_US if that is the language they prefer. Locale is for localization of the interface, not for telling where you are from. See the Australian English example in https:/…

What should they do?

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by saagarjha »

sqs wrote: post #89
fireattack wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/blob/master/Source/WebKit/U... (For some reason "search in this repo" doesn't work for keyword `malwareDetailsBase` [1], but it's there) [1] https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/search?q=malwareDetailsBase...

URL to same code search on Sourcegraph (which works): https://sourcegraph.com/search?q=repo%3Awebkit%2Fwebkit+malw... (Disclaimer: I am the Sourcegraph CEO.)

Unrelated, but I like the fact that you support prefers-color-scheme!

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by Aperocky »

oarsinsync wrote: post #107
Aperocky wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s entirely against the entirety of Apples modus operandi. It’s always make the user have as little choice as possible and assume that users are idiots. The only exception they made is to developer with cli abilities, and even that they have began to restrict

> assume that the users are idiots Microsoft didn’t make this assumption. Apple did. My entire extended family are now all Apple users. My tech support calls per year can now be counted on one hand. In my extended family, the users are idiots, and thanks to Apple, I’m poorer financially but significantly richer in free time.

I didn't say it was a poor choice, rather, it's a great choice.

I'd rather be an idiot in the areas that I don't have an expertise in, I have no interest in plumbing and I would blindly follow the suggestion that the plumber who came to my house made. And I guess this strategy worked well for Apple.

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by hesarenu »

ottolin wrote: post #122
oarsinsync wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> assume that the users are idiots Microsoft didn’t make this assumption. Apple did. My entire extended family are now all Apple users. My tech support calls per year can now be counted on one hand. In my extended family, the users are idiots, and thanks to Apple, I’m poorer financially but significantly richer in free time.

That is exactly my experience too. My parents just kept calling me when they were using Android phones. I bought them iPhone to get my free time back.

There is not much difference there. iPhone might be more confusing for people who are used to android.

Re: Apple Is Sending URLs to Tencent?

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Post by newshorts »

saagarjha wrote: post #126
dhdhebsb wrote: post #105

It literally says it’s going to send links to Google Safe Browsing and Tencent Safe Browsing in the Safari setting page under “Safari and Privacy”

That’s not what it says.

Which one of these comments is right? You both can’t be.
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